Why do parents keep doing this?

Dave {Reply Address in.sig} wrote:

In message , Briar Rabbit wrote:

But try as they might, it is as the man said:

?The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene
is essential. This acknowledges that something harmful or unpleasant is
happening under the prepuce.? - Russell T, Med Observer 1993

Lifelong armpit hygiene is also essential. However, I don't see many
people advocating removal of both arms to avoid the necessity.

Arms, however, are useful.

Dave {Reply Address in.sig} wrote:

In message , Briar Rabbit wrote:

But try as they might, it is as the man said:

?The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene
is essential. This acknowledges that something harmful or unpleasant is
happening under the prepuce.? - Russell T, Med Observer 1993


Lifelong armpit hygiene is also essential. However, I don't see many people
advocating removal of both arms to avoid the necessity.


How many people tell you they they have been with many men and not one
(OK maybe one) guy has had a smelly arm pit? People don't lie about arm
pits ... why are some so desperate to lie about foreskins ... saying
they *never* stink?

Sarah Vaughan wrote:

In message , Kaybee
writes

I do know that my oldest uncle does wish that my grandparents had him
circumcised. Because when he joined the nave at like 17 or 18 I think
it was 17 they did it during his physical....and he said that he can
still feel the pain.


Does he think he would have felt less pain if he'd had it done as a
baby? Actually, chances are he would have felt more, if anything,
because at that stage the foreskin is still adherent to the glans, so
the surgeon not only has to cut through skin but also rip it away from
the sensitive bit underneath. BTW, why did the Navy do it?

So I think that this child needs to stop complaining please. What is
done is done. And think of this. It is one less thing you have to clean


Well, by that logic we could have all sorts of body parts amputated and
not mind about it on the basis that it's one less thing to wash. Hell,
with the trouble I'm having with athlete's foot lately, I'm starting to
think it might have been a great idea if my parents had had my toes
amputated when I was a baby. ;-)


All the best,

Sarah

Sarah Vaughan wrote:

In message , Briar Rabbit
writes

I believe that male circumcision is a perfectly acceptable parental
decision as a result of religious, cultural or medical considerations.


What about female circumcision?



What about it?

Sarah Vaughan wrote:

In message , Briar Rabbit
writes

Sarah Vaughan wrote:

In message , Briar Rabbit



I am not saying they are automatically unhappy. I would love to know
how the deal with the stink though.

I've never found that there is a stink. I've had one partner whose
smell I had a bit of a problem with, but even then I wouldn't go as
far as calling it a stink. Remembering what a flake this man was in
other ways, I suspect his personal hygiene just wasn't all that could
be desired. I've never found it to be a problem at all with any of
the other men I've been with.



What is the size of your sample? It is not a trick question to see how
much of a slag your are but rather to understand the statistical basis
behind your assertion.


Does that mean that it's a trick question to try to twist it into a
claim that I _was_ making some sort of statistical assertion?



Yes ... and to think you thought you were going to get away with it.
Nice try though. Now a question ... why are you so desperate to continue
the lie that foreskins don't stink?


Sorry, that wasn't very clear, was it? What I mean is: Suppose I tell
you the number, is your next question or statement going to be along the
lines of "So you're claiming that foreskins don't stink despite only
having had experience with X number of foreskins, which is clearly not
enough for a valid sample size"?




First the question needs to be asked why you attempted to sell the
innuendo in the first place?

Chotii wrote:

"Kaybee" wrote in message
...


"Chotii" wrote in message
. ..

"Sarah Vaughan" wrote in message
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Sure. My agenda is to let people choose, as far as practicable, what
happens to their own bodies. Fine by me if adults choose to get
circumcised, but I see no good reason to carry the procedure out

routinely

on newborns. What's your agenda?

Well, he has no agenda, naturally, Sarah. However, he is convinced that
"research" has declared "that the foreskin is a smelly and disgusting
item" - yes, I'm quite sure the researchers used that phrase in their
summary - and therefore, out of simple kindness toward all young boys
everywhere, he thinks they ought all to be divested of it without regard

to

medical necessity, or the child's wishes in later years.


I do know that my oldest uncle does wish that my grandparents had him
circumcised. Because when he joined the nave at like 17 or 18 I think it
was 17 they did it during his physical....and he said that he can still
feel
the pain.

So I think that this child needs to stop complaining please. What is done
is done. And think of this. It is one less thing you have to clean


The fact that the US Military routinely treats its people as commodities -
even to this day - and will punish them for trying to protect their bodies -
is no justification for parents doing something to infants.


Crap.

What about routine vaccinations. Just line the kids up and force them
through the vaccination mill. Is this treating people like commodities?
Or does that only apply when your beloved foreskin is at risk?

"Briar Rabbit" wrote in message
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Dave {Reply Address in.sig} wrote:

In message , Briar Rabbit wrote:

But try as they might, it is as the man said:

?The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene
is essential. This acknowledges that something harmful or unpleasant is
happening under the prepuce.? - Russell T, Med Observer 1993


Lifelong armpit hygiene is also essential. However, I don't see many
people
advocating removal of both arms to avoid the necessity.


How many people tell you they they have been with many men and not one (OK
maybe one) guy has had a smelly arm pit? People don't lie about arm pits
... why are some so desperate to lie about foreskins ... saying they
*never* stink?

Don't be absurd. Of course sometimes they stink. Sometimes, underarms stink.
Sometimes, the crack between a person's buttocks stinks, or the skin beneath
a woman's breasts on a hot day, or perhaps their breath stinks. You know the
cure for these things? It's called soap and water. Surgical intervention is
not necessary.

*If* a man washes daily, there is no reason to think he will have any more
odor under his foreskin than in any other part of his body where skin
touches skin. These odors may be offensive to some, but it's simply wrong to
assume that they will be offensive to everyone. Some people enjoy the musky
scent of such skin (which is different to the scent of smegma, which the
circ proponents seem to believe will build up in mudslide proportions
overnight - it doesn't).

I don't think it's asking too much of men, or women for that matter, to wash
daily.

--angela

"Chotii" wrote in message
.. .

"Briar Rabbit" wrote in message

How many people tell you they they have been with many men and not one
(OK maybe one) guy has had a smelly arm pit? People don't lie about arm
pits ... why are some so desperate to lie about foreskins ... saying they
*never* stink?

Don't be absurd. Of course sometimes they stink. Sometimes, underarms
stink. Sometimes, the crack between a person's buttocks stinks, or the
skin beneath a woman's breasts on a hot day, or perhaps their breath
stinks. You know the cure for these things? It's called soap and water.
Surgical intervention is not necessary.

....er, except the breath thing. Toothbrush & toothpaste.

--angela

"Briar Rabbit" wrote in message
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Chotii wrote:

The fact that the US Military routinely treats its people as
commodities - even to this day - and will punish them for trying to
protect their bodies - is no justification for parents doing something to
infants.


Crap.

What about routine vaccinations. Just line the kids up and force them
through the vaccination mill. Is this treating people like commodities? Or
does that only apply when your beloved foreskin is at risk?

The military uses its forces as guinea pigs for vaccinations, such as the
anthrax vaccine and the smallpox vaccine.

And by the way, children are not lined up and forced to have vaccines
against their (parents') wishes. Though I was certainly lined up and given a
measles shot my first or second year in university, as a requirement to be
allowed to continue on as a student, since I could not show evidence of
having been vaccinated as a child.

My twins didn't get any vaccines until they turned 2. They are now fully
vaccinated following the schedule for kids who start later (about 1/3 as
many jabs). My youngest has had no vaccines yet. She will get them when she
reaches the age of 2. Oh, and none of my girls have their ears pierced. I
am opposed to non-medically-necessary body modifications on children.
(However, one of my daughters has a scar from the hollow of her throat to
below her belly button, plus other scars, from assorted life-saving
surgeries.) I can differentiate between 'needed' and 'not needed'. I am
aware that some boys will need to be cut in the same way that some children
will need a frenulumectomy to correct a severe tongue-tie (which in fact my
twins both required, though my other two did not).

You're making assumptions about what motivates me.

I simply do not believe in cosmetic body modifications on children, when the
alteration in question is not a correction of a congenital defect (such as
extra digits, cleft lip or palate, etc.)

--angela

Chotii wrote:



And by the way, children are not lined up and forced to have vaccines
against their (parents') wishes. Though I was certainly lined up and given a
measles shot my first or second year in university, as a requirement to be
allowed to continue on as a student, since I could not show evidence of
having been vaccinated as a child.



Do you skin freaks always contradict yourselves? You can't help ypurself
can you?