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Old July 19th 04, 05:21 PM
Bob
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Mike wrote:
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm


Uh, no. A story isn't going to "put off" anyone.

Bob

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When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/


























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Old July 19th 04, 05:21 PM
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Mike wrote:
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm


Uh, no. A story isn't going to "put off" anyone.

Bob

--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/


























[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]


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Old July 19th 04, 05:21 PM
Bob
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Mike wrote:
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm


Uh, no. A story isn't going to "put off" anyone.

Bob

--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/


























[Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All
posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]


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Old July 19th 04, 06:18 PM
Bob Whiteside
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"Mike" wrote in message
om...
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm


What I find absolutely mind boggling about the issue of undistributed CS
collections is the CS agencies have to employ investigators to chase down
the obligees to give them the money. If the CS was so critical to raising
children, one would think the CP would go out of their way to keep the state
informed about where to send the money. I can't help but think OCSE is
covering up a bigger problem of employee incompetence and computer problems
that are the root cause, rather than UDC's.

As usual what is not talked about is just as important as what is talked
about. There was zero mention from OCSE officials that some of the money
was over-collected and/or no longer owed and they would take legal steps to
stop the UDC in those circumstances. The obligee could be dead,
incarcerated, institutionalized, or have abandoned the children leaving them
with a relative or family friend. Of course, to mention those types of
circumstances would require portraying women in a poor light. Pointing out
those types of situations would run counter to the mommies good, daddies bad
bias in the CS system.


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Old July 19th 04, 06:18 PM
Bob Whiteside
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"Mike" wrote in message
om...
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm


What I find absolutely mind boggling about the issue of undistributed CS
collections is the CS agencies have to employ investigators to chase down
the obligees to give them the money. If the CS was so critical to raising
children, one would think the CP would go out of their way to keep the state
informed about where to send the money. I can't help but think OCSE is
covering up a bigger problem of employee incompetence and computer problems
that are the root cause, rather than UDC's.

As usual what is not talked about is just as important as what is talked
about. There was zero mention from OCSE officials that some of the money
was over-collected and/or no longer owed and they would take legal steps to
stop the UDC in those circumstances. The obligee could be dead,
incarcerated, institutionalized, or have abandoned the children leaving them
with a relative or family friend. Of course, to mention those types of
circumstances would require portraying women in a poor light. Pointing out
those types of situations would run counter to the mommies good, daddies bad
bias in the CS system.


  #16  
Old July 19th 04, 06:18 PM
Bob Whiteside
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"Mike" wrote in message
om...
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm


What I find absolutely mind boggling about the issue of undistributed CS
collections is the CS agencies have to employ investigators to chase down
the obligees to give them the money. If the CS was so critical to raising
children, one would think the CP would go out of their way to keep the state
informed about where to send the money. I can't help but think OCSE is
covering up a bigger problem of employee incompetence and computer problems
that are the root cause, rather than UDC's.

As usual what is not talked about is just as important as what is talked
about. There was zero mention from OCSE officials that some of the money
was over-collected and/or no longer owed and they would take legal steps to
stop the UDC in those circumstances. The obligee could be dead,
incarcerated, institutionalized, or have abandoned the children leaving them
with a relative or family friend. Of course, to mention those types of
circumstances would require portraying women in a poor light. Pointing out
those types of situations would run counter to the mommies good, daddies bad
bias in the CS system.


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Old July 19th 04, 07:29 PM
Hobbit471
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From: "Don" don@free
Date: 7/19/2004 8:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:


"Mike" wrote in message
. com...
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm



Just another example why this has nothing to do with supporting children and
more to do with the state making a profit off of interest payments. If you
are going to be required to pay it should be direct without state
involvment.


Here's another example:

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/cu...?oid=oid:51142

PUBLISHED ON NOVEMBER 13, 2003:

Deadbeat State

Linda Hoffman thought her ex-husband wasn't paying child support. He was--but
the state was keeping it for no reason.

By CHRIS LIMBERIS

Linda Hoffman and Charles Kausler had been divorced for nearly 24 years and
rarely spoke when they both attended their daughter's 30th birthday on March
10, 1997.

The venue, Crossroads Restaurant, was neutral, yet familiar enough for Hoffman
and Kausler to advance domestic détente. There was plenty of cause for
confrontation during the dinner, but Hoffman bit her lip.

But when they moved into the parking lot after dinner, Hoffman took her chance.


"I looked at him and said, 'Why didn't you ever pay child support?'" Hoffman
recalled. "And he kind of scratched his head and asked, 'What do you mean? I
did. They took $10,000 out of the bank in downtown Tucson in 1981, and I had
only put it in days before.'"
(snip)
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Old July 19th 04, 07:29 PM
Hobbit471
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From: "Don" don@free
Date: 7/19/2004 8:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:


"Mike" wrote in message
. com...
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm



Just another example why this has nothing to do with supporting children and
more to do with the state making a profit off of interest payments. If you
are going to be required to pay it should be direct without state
involvment.


Here's another example:

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/cu...?oid=oid:51142

PUBLISHED ON NOVEMBER 13, 2003:

Deadbeat State

Linda Hoffman thought her ex-husband wasn't paying child support. He was--but
the state was keeping it for no reason.

By CHRIS LIMBERIS

Linda Hoffman and Charles Kausler had been divorced for nearly 24 years and
rarely spoke when they both attended their daughter's 30th birthday on March
10, 1997.

The venue, Crossroads Restaurant, was neutral, yet familiar enough for Hoffman
and Kausler to advance domestic détente. There was plenty of cause for
confrontation during the dinner, but Hoffman bit her lip.

But when they moved into the parking lot after dinner, Hoffman took her chance.


"I looked at him and said, 'Why didn't you ever pay child support?'" Hoffman
recalled. "And he kind of scratched his head and asked, 'What do you mean? I
did. They took $10,000 out of the bank in downtown Tucson in 1981, and I had
only put it in days before.'"
(snip)
  #19  
Old July 19th 04, 07:29 PM
Hobbit471
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Default "Child support stuck in system"

From: "Don" don@free
Date: 7/19/2004 8:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:


"Mike" wrote in message
. com...
Child support stuck in system
Special Report: In the often-contentious world of child support, it's
not uncommon for one parent to tell the other that the child-support
check is "in the mail." Sometimes, it's just an excuse to put off a
nagging ex-spouse.
at http://www.washtimes.com/specialrepo...0901-6910r.htm



Just another example why this has nothing to do with supporting children and
more to do with the state making a profit off of interest payments. If you
are going to be required to pay it should be direct without state
involvment.


Here's another example:

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/cu...?oid=oid:51142

PUBLISHED ON NOVEMBER 13, 2003:

Deadbeat State

Linda Hoffman thought her ex-husband wasn't paying child support. He was--but
the state was keeping it for no reason.

By CHRIS LIMBERIS

Linda Hoffman and Charles Kausler had been divorced for nearly 24 years and
rarely spoke when they both attended their daughter's 30th birthday on March
10, 1997.

The venue, Crossroads Restaurant, was neutral, yet familiar enough for Hoffman
and Kausler to advance domestic détente. There was plenty of cause for
confrontation during the dinner, but Hoffman bit her lip.

But when they moved into the parking lot after dinner, Hoffman took her chance.


"I looked at him and said, 'Why didn't you ever pay child support?'" Hoffman
recalled. "And he kind of scratched his head and asked, 'What do you mean? I
did. They took $10,000 out of the bank in downtown Tucson in 1981, and I had
only put it in days before.'"
(snip)
  #20  
Old July 19th 04, 07:41 PM
frankjones
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Default Some important things to consider...

1-You don't need a college degree, or even a high school diploma to work
for CSE. A GED will suffice. (incompetency)
2-The unmanageable number of cases each office has seems to be growing
exponentially. C$ is indeed a vicious cycle and a learned behavior.
(unmanagability)
3-Most of the CSE representatives, male or female, have their own case to
worry about. (indifference or bias)
4-Have you seen the insultingly low pay the CSE employees receive? Not to
mention the crumby benefits package.

The deck is stacked.

 




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