Ree: Why do parents keep doing this?

(karen hill) wrote in message . com...
"Jamie Clark" wrote in message ...
"Catherine Woodgold" wrote in message
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"firedancer623" ) writes:
I am all for
free choice and fully support any parent's decision, which ever it may
be. I
chose not to circ my kids because I felt it was in their best interest.
Others may disagree and that is fine. Do I care what they think? Nope.

Well, if parents decide to circumcise a child without asking
the child's permission (e.g. a baby), then it isn't
"free choice" for the child, nor for the adult the child
later becomes.

Trying to get the terminology straight here.
--
Cathy

She was referring to the freedom of choice of the parents.

It's ridiculous to say that we need to ask our children's permission. There
are thousands of parenting decisions that we have to make without consulting
our children, or asking their permission. There is no freedom of choice for
babies or children -- there may be the illusion of choice -- do you want to
wear the blue pants or the red pants, do you want broccoli or carrots for
dinner, but there is not a lot of real choice, and certainly not about
important matters.

I agree with you there.

We are the parents, and we have to do what we think is
best until they are the age of majority. It's that simple. And different
people are going to have different views on what they feel is best for their child. Parents make decisions regarding immunizations, circ, ear piercing, medical treatments, foods they eat or don't eat, clothes they wear, etc. Parenting is not a democracy.

You do have choices about how you raise your children, within the
limits of the law. You certainly couldn't remove your daughter's
clitoral hood without going to prison. I think the anti-circ crowd is
trying to make that point circumcision is barbaric and that it is
equal to removing a females clitoral hood, most often without any pain
relief. Male circumcision is not against the law, but according the
the anti-circ people it should be. That is where the argument is
really centered.

And the anti-circ people say just as a grown woman can choose to have
her clitoral hood pierced, a grown man could get a prince albert or a
circumcision because an adult can choose to mutilate themselves.
Giving a newborn a prince albert is not the same as an adult choosing
a prince albert.

The choices a parent makes are the ones that ultimately have to be
done. For example, a child must go to school, and must eat, so making
them eat broccoli is not the same as having them circumcised because a
child does not have to be circumcised, where as, forcing the child to
eat nutritious foods is essential to their well being.

The anti-circ crowd is really more forward looking, similar to the
people who were against slaverly, who hid Jews in Nazi germany, and
were for equal rights in the 1960's. Just because everyone says the
earth is flat does not make it so. The anti-circ crowd is trying to
point out the flaws in the circumcision arguments, just as others
stated the earth was round. Eventually, in order for society to
progress, it may be found that the anti-circ crowd was right. Those
on the wrong side of the fence will face the challenges of explaining
their actions, similar to the civil rights violators, and history will
not look kindly on them.

Bull DRECK! You're simply another unwanted voice from the idiot's
parade of anti-circ wack packers. Their sole purpose is to use
so-called children's rights as a pretense for the real reasons behind
their cause: to sexualize & facilitate a useless scab of skin. Shame
on you for comparing the Holocaust & the Civil Rights movement with
these despicable people. Unlike the righteous MLK Jr., these NUDNIKS
are fighting a fruitless cause that will only result in further
cementing their ongoing insanity. They (scab scavengers) have been
studied in detail by the medical profession, and the overwhelming
majority of them are comprised of homosexual foreskin fetishists,
mental defectives, and anti-Semites. You give them enough rope (see
Angela) and they eventually hang themselves!
As a candid Jew & anti-racist activist, I can unequivocally tell you
that when we common sensers (aka pro-circers) label you and your ilk
as deeply disturbed individuals, it more than rings true! Denying
"what is" also does not make it so! In my 7 years on the net, I have
come into contact with hundreds of these wackos. If they aren't
salivating over foreskin, they are dwelling in anti-Semitic rhetoric!
Child's rights is a million miles away from the safest & most common
cut in all of medicine - circumcision! Why not dedicate your time to
child rights issues that have merit: AIDS, SIDS, homelessness,
education, hunger, child abuse, etc!? -D, NYC "Envy of Jewish talents
& brains has moved the Gentiles to behave like wild beasts toward a
people in some respects their superior" - MARK TWAIN