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Scratch a Spanker, Find a Pervert
So . . . here we have a guy who, for more than
a decade, has used his "color of authority" to administer paddlings to teenagers. Can anyone seriously doubt that this miscreant is a spanking fetishist who exploited his official position as a cover to engage in his favourite perversion? If there were any doubt, the fact that he videotaped the proceedings -- obviously so he could later view the tapes as masturbation fodder -- should dispel that notion instantly. Is this case unique? Hardly. We've all heard for years about similar cases involving teachers, churchmen, mental health workers, scout leaders -- all manner of twisted ****s whose positions gave them authority over children. (In case anyone doubts that the spanking fetish is ubiquitous in our society, a search on Google for the term "free spanking" showed 194,000 sites. For comparison, the term "rubber fetish" showed 98,800 sites, while "leather fetish" pointed to 103,000 sites. The only fetish to beat spanking in popularity in this search was "foot fetish," with 1,110,000 hits. Obviously, there are many more spanking-fetish sites that don't contain the word "free" [A search on just the word "spanking" produced more than six million hits although, of course, they aren't all fetish sites] but the point is made.) The inevitable conclusion is that the beating of children under the guise of "discipline" but actually motivated by the desire for sexual gratification is not only widespread, but may well be almost universal. This is especially true of those who make a career or avocation of promoting spanking, and/or inveighing against any move to end a practice that has been proven both ineffective and harmful. Fundamentalist Christians, for example, are famous for defending child-beating on the basis that it is recommended in their book of myths, the Bible. These same folks do not promote other "disciplinary" methods cited in the Bible -- stoning of disobedient offspring, for example. But when it comes to slapping a child's buttocks, they never tire of insisting that they must do it, because God said so. Can there be any doubt that, like the bent police chief in the story below, the practitioners and defenders of child-beating are exploiting the colour of piety to rationalize exploiting their own children for sadistic sexual gratification? On this very newsgroup, at least two of the most ardent foes of any move to end this loathsome abuse of children -- Doan and Chris Calvin -- are themselves childless and so, in theory, anyway, have no personal stake in preserving the practice. And still, they have spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours at their keyboards in their campaign to persuade people that it is perfectly acceptable to hit their children. To quote a currently fashionable cliche, connect the dots, people. Can there be any doubt that they are motivated by anxiety that their favourite sexual fantasy may be impaired, should "spanking" ever fade into the past, perhaps by being made illegal? Not likely, it says here. Scratch a spanker, find a pervert. === 05/05/2004 WARREN, Ohio (AP) _ A suburban police chief pleaded not guilty Wednesday to a 52-count indictment alleging he paddled teen motorists for traffic violations and videotaped the punishments. Three teenagers have filed federal lawsuits alleging their privacy rights were violated when they were paddled as part of a diversion program run by Fowler Township Police Chief James Martin. One alleged he suffered welts in the videotaped, bare-bottom paddling. Martin is charged with two felony counts of theft in office and misdemeanour counts of dereliction of duty, assault, unauthorized photography and using a sham legal process. The felony counts allege Martin stored police records in his home and the sham legal process counts allege he showed juveniles a fake document that appeared to be official. Martin's bail was set at $2,500 and a pretrial hearing is scheduled Tuesday. Martin, a part-time police chief who also is a full-time police captain in Howland, left court without commenting. He has been placed on unpaid suspension from both jobs. Howland Township disciplined Martin in 1993 after he admitted paddling about 20 juveniles in another diversion program. A child-services agency and a prosecutor who investigated separately said there was no evidence of abuse but recommended the paddling stop. Fowler and Howland townships are suburbs of Warren, located about 110 kilometres southeast of Cleveland. === -- The danger to the life and well-being of children increases in direct proportion to their proximity to religion and its practitioners. -Ivan Gowch |
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Scratch a anti-spanking zealotS, Find a Pervert
LOL! Getting desperate, Ivan?
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ivan Gowch wrote: So . . . here we have a guy who, for more than a decade, has used his "color of authority" to administer paddlings to teenagers. Can anyone seriously doubt that this miscreant is a spanking fetishist who exploited his official position as a cover to engage in his favourite perversion? If there were any doubt, the fact that he videotaped the proceedings -- obviously so he could later view the tapes as masturbation fodder -- should dispel that notion instantly. Is this case unique? Hardly. We've all heard for years about similar cases involving teachers, churchmen, mental health workers, scout leaders -- all manner of twisted ****s whose positions gave them authority over children. (In case anyone doubts that the spanking fetish is ubiquitous in our society, a search on Google for the term "free spanking" showed 194,000 sites. For comparison, the term "rubber fetish" showed 98,800 sites, while "leather fetish" pointed to 103,000 sites. The only fetish to beat spanking in popularity in this search was "foot fetish," with 1,110,000 hits. Obviously, there are many more spanking-fetish sites that don't contain the word "free" [A search on just the word "spanking" produced more than six million hits although, of course, they aren't all fetish sites] but the point is made.) The inevitable conclusion is that the beating of children under the guise of "discipline" but actually motivated by the desire for sexual gratification is not only widespread, but may well be almost universal. This is especially true of those who make a career or avocation of promoting spanking, and/or inveighing against any move to end a practice that has been proven both ineffective and harmful. Fundamentalist Christians, for example, are famous for defending child-beating on the basis that it is recommended in their book of myths, the Bible. These same folks do not promote other "disciplinary" methods cited in the Bible -- stoning of disobedient offspring, for example. But when it comes to slapping a child's buttocks, they never tire of insisting that they must do it, because God said so. Can there be any doubt that, like the bent police chief in the story below, the practitioners and defenders of child-beating are exploiting the colour of piety to rationalize exploiting their own children for sadistic sexual gratification? On this very newsgroup, at least two of the most ardent foes of any move to end this loathsome abuse of children -- Doan and Chris Calvin -- are themselves childless and so, in theory, anyway, have no personal stake in preserving the practice. And still, they have spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours at their keyboards in their campaign to persuade people that it is perfectly acceptable to hit their children. Using this logic, Chris Dugan is also childless and he also has a soundfile that he kept on his website and advertise them regularly. BTW, I don't persuade people to spank! People spank because the non-cp alternatives FAILED! "CP is typically a response to misbehavior, particularly after one or more other intervention have been tried repeatedly and the misbehavior they are meant to correct recurs." Have you found any study that show that the non-cp alternatives are any better than spanking under the same conditions, Ivan? If spanking is as bad as anti-spanking zealotS say, why is it that you can't find a study that show the alternatives are better under the same condition? Doan |
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On Fri, 7 May 2004 06:57:35 -0700, Doan wrote:
LOL! Getting desperate, Ivan? I see no desperation in Ivan's post. Please point it out to us. Or is this going to be one of the famous public Doananations where you reply, "you are too stupid to see it?" This is a story of a pervert who paddled. And I find Ivan's speculation about the number of people that use spanking for perversion...you would be a prime example....right on target. The issue comes down to one of control. Those that have an overpowering compulsion, like you, to be in control at all times, easily revert to such behaviors.....the use of the helpless and applying pain to them. On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ivan Gowch wrote: So . . . here we have a guy who, for more than a decade, has used his "color of authority" to administer paddlings to teenagers. Can anyone seriously doubt that this miscreant is a spanking fetishist who exploited his official position as a cover to engage in his favourite perversion? If there were any doubt, the fact that he videotaped the proceedings -- obviously so he could later view the tapes as masturbation fodder -- should dispel that notion instantly. Is this case unique? Hardly. We've all heard for years about similar cases involving teachers, churchmen, mental health workers, scout leaders -- all manner of twisted ****s whose positions gave them authority over children. (In case anyone doubts that the spanking fetish is ubiquitous in our society, a search on Google for the term "free spanking" showed 194,000 sites. For comparison, the term "rubber fetish" showed 98,800 sites, while "leather fetish" pointed to 103,000 sites. The only fetish to beat spanking in popularity in this search was "foot fetish," with 1,110,000 hits. Obviously, there are many more spanking-fetish sites that don't contain the word "free" [A search on just the word "spanking" produced more than six million hits although, of course, they aren't all fetish sites] but the point is made.) The inevitable conclusion is that the beating of children under the guise of "discipline" but actually motivated by the desire for sexual gratification is not only widespread, but may well be almost universal. This is especially true of those who make a career or avocation of promoting spanking, and/or inveighing against any move to end a practice that has been proven both ineffective and harmful. Fundamentalist Christians, for example, are famous for defending child-beating on the basis that it is recommended in their book of myths, the Bible. These same folks do not promote other "disciplinary" methods cited in the Bible -- stoning of disobedient offspring, for example. But when it comes to slapping a child's buttocks, they never tire of insisting that they must do it, because God said so. Can there be any doubt that, like the bent police chief in the story below, the practitioners and defenders of child-beating are exploiting the colour of piety to rationalize exploiting their own children for sadistic sexual gratification? On this very newsgroup, at least two of the most ardent foes of any move to end this loathsome abuse of children -- Doan and Chris Calvin -- are themselves childless and so, in theory, anyway, have no personal stake in preserving the practice. And still, they have spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours at their keyboards in their campaign to persuade people that it is perfectly acceptable to hit their children. Using this logic, Chris Dugan is also childless and he also has a soundfile that he kept on his website and advertise them regularly. Yep....and with the express purpose of exposing the brutality involved. Are you suggesting that his posting this in the open with the accompanying FAQ you keep faking in your rendition indicates he is a pervert? And that the police officer is NOT one? Logic and the spanking compulsives...the two shall never meet. BTW, I don't persuade people to spank! Of course you do! You spend a good deal of time here posting attempts to refute research, and common sense, and claiming things in the face of powerful evidence to the contrary, that suggest to parents they need NOT do anything but trust themselves to parent safely. But when challenged by me, and the challenge extends to any of those parents as well, to point out a simple safety limit you could not do so and no one has even attempted except you. You still can't admit there are risks that cannot be avoided AND STILL SPANK. People spank because the non-cp alternatives FAILED! That is an opinion. You have no proof. My opinion, and I have witnessed and researched this in populations that have been convicted of child abuse, is that they did TRY NON-CP ALTERNATIVES except MORE punitive ones. "CP is typically a response to misbehavior, particularly after one or more other intervention have been tried repeatedly and the misbehavior they are meant to correct recurs." I disagree. Notice the failure to define "other intervention?" It does NOT say the alternatives were anything but OTHER punishments, no physical, now does it. The problem of spanking, using your logic, actually resides in the innability or disinclination to find WORKING ALTERNATIVES. And that is squarely the fault of a punitive society who encourage punitive child rearing. Have you found any study that show that the non-cp alternatives are any better than spanking under the same conditions, Ivan? Sure. I have. Embry...but I'm not going to discuss Embry's results with a liar and cheat such as you. You blew it. If spanking is as bad as anti-spanking zealotS say, why is it that you can't find a study that show the alternatives are better under the same condition? Embry found it. And you are terrified to discuss what he found and dodged the chance with me. And everyone is still laughing at you and I doubt will even bother to discuss Embry with you. But give it a try, liar. Doan Kane |
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Kane wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2004 06:57:35 -0700, Doan wrote: LOL! Getting desperate, Ivan? I see no desperation in Ivan's post. Please point it out to us. I saw no desperation either, Kane, but I doubt we need to hold our collective breaths waiting for doan to point it out to us. The issue comes down to one of control. Those that have an overpowering compulsion, like you, to be in control at all times, easily revert to such behaviors.....the use of the helpless and applying pain to them. Of course it comes down to control. What I find pathetic are those individuals can only feel in control when they are hitting the body of someone so much smaller and weaker. I don't know what doan weighs, but toddlers and young preschoolers typically weigh between 30 and 40 pounds. If the only way a grown man can feel in control is by hitting the body of someone who weighs 30-40 pounds, this is the behavior of an extreme coward and bully. Bullys seldom take on anyone equal or larger in size or power. Bullys prey on the weak and the vulnerable. Doan's attitude and behavior screams coward and bully. LaVonne On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ivan Gowch wrote: So . . . here we have a guy who, for more than a decade, has used his "color of authority" to administer paddlings to teenagers. Can anyone seriously doubt that this miscreant is a spanking fetishist who exploited his official position as a cover to engage in his favourite perversion? If there were any doubt, the fact that he videotaped the proceedings -- obviously so he could later view the tapes as masturbation fodder -- should dispel that notion instantly. Is this case unique? Hardly. We've all heard for years about similar cases involving teachers, churchmen, mental health workers, scout leaders -- all manner of twisted ****s whose positions gave them authority over children. (In case anyone doubts that the spanking fetish is ubiquitous in our society, a search on Google for the term "free spanking" showed 194,000 sites. For comparison, the term "rubber fetish" showed 98,800 sites, while "leather fetish" pointed to 103,000 sites. The only fetish to beat spanking in popularity in this search was "foot fetish," with 1,110,000 hits. Obviously, there are many more spanking-fetish sites that don't contain the word "free" [A search on just the word "spanking" produced more than six million hits although, of course, they aren't all fetish sites] but the point is made.) The inevitable conclusion is that the beating of children under the guise of "discipline" but actually motivated by the desire for sexual gratification is not only widespread, but may well be almost universal. This is especially true of those who make a career or avocation of promoting spanking, and/or inveighing against any move to end a practice that has been proven both ineffective and harmful. Fundamentalist Christians, for example, are famous for defending child-beating on the basis that it is recommended in their book of myths, the Bible. These same folks do not promote other "disciplinary" methods cited in the Bible -- stoning of disobedient offspring, for example. But when it comes to slapping a child's buttocks, they never tire of insisting that they must do it, because God said so. Can there be any doubt that, like the bent police chief in the story below, the practitioners and defenders of child-beating are exploiting the colour of piety to rationalize exploiting their own children for sadistic sexual gratification? On this very newsgroup, at least two of the most ardent foes of any move to end this loathsome abuse of children -- Doan and Chris Calvin -- are themselves childless and so, in theory, anyway, have no personal stake in preserving the practice. And still, they have spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours at their keyboards in their campaign to persuade people that it is perfectly acceptable to hit their children. Using this logic, Chris Dugan is also childless and he also has a soundfile that he kept on his website and advertise them regularly. Yep....and with the express purpose of exposing the brutality involved. Are you suggesting that his posting this in the open with the accompanying FAQ you keep faking in your rendition indicates he is a pervert? And that the police officer is NOT one? Logic and the spanking compulsives...the two shall never meet. BTW, I don't persuade people to spank! Of course you do! You spend a good deal of time here posting attempts to refute research, and common sense, and claiming things in the face of powerful evidence to the contrary, that suggest to parents they need NOT do anything but trust themselves to parent safely. But when challenged by me, and the challenge extends to any of those parents as well, to point out a simple safety limit you could not do so and no one has even attempted except you. You still can't admit there are risks that cannot be avoided AND STILL SPANK. People spank because the non-cp alternatives FAILED! That is an opinion. You have no proof. My opinion, and I have witnessed and researched this in populations that have been convicted of child abuse, is that they did TRY NON-CP ALTERNATIVES except MORE punitive ones. "CP is typically a response to misbehavior, particularly after one or more other intervention have been tried repeatedly and the misbehavior they are meant to correct recurs." I disagree. Notice the failure to define "other intervention?" It does NOT say the alternatives were anything but OTHER punishments, no physical, now does it. The problem of spanking, using your logic, actually resides in the innability or disinclination to find WORKING ALTERNATIVES. And that is squarely the fault of a punitive society who encourage punitive child rearing. Have you found any study that show that the non-cp alternatives are any better than spanking under the same conditions, Ivan? Sure. I have. Embry...but I'm not going to discuss Embry's results with a liar and cheat such as you. You blew it. If spanking is as bad as anti-spanking zealotS say, why is it that you can't find a study that show the alternatives are better under the same condition? Embry found it. And you are terrified to discuss what he found and dodged the chance with me. And everyone is still laughing at you and I doubt will even bother to discuss Embry with you. But give it a try, liar. Doan Kane |
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I didn't need a sex-abuse scandal in the newspaper to realize this. I knew
it as a little kid, and I know it now. Generation after generation goes on spanking because some garbage book says it's the way to raise kids... all the while secretly getting off on it, yet afraid to admit this even to themselves, for fear that they'll be branded "perverts." And who wants to think that of their own parents? Yuck! But guess what? You're not perverts. You're perfectly normal, because spanking is inherently sexual. So admit it, get over it, and let's move on. |
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