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Fluoride or not? Is it safe?
FLUORIDA DENTISTS UNSCIENTIFIC?
RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly says that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." [Quoted by Glickman, see below.] A number of towns are reportedly ignoring such dentists and listening to scientists and getting RID of fluoridation... "Over 80 cities have rejected fluoride since 1996, including Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and Mtn. View California in 1985. This includes a number of towns which already were fluoridated." http://www.nofluoride.com/ In Pinellas County, Fluorida - ONE commissioner - BARBARA SHEEN TODD - voted against fluoridation.... A FUNNY STORY... When Fluorida fluoridators were informed of the fact that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! http://www.fluoridealert.org/g-glasser.htm I mention this because when Pinellas County (Fluorida) Administrator Stephen M. Spratt, called upon Dr. Heilman (sp) "our leading public health expert in the area" to address "concerns about fluoride..." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO Dr. Heilman (sp) began: "I know that you have been under significant pressure from selected citizens..." He lauded the commission for their decision to fluoridate... Commissioner Barbara Sheen Todd had to bring his focus back to CONCERNS ABOUT FLUORIDE... She made the point that hydrofluorosilicic acid is a WASTE PRODUCT... Dr. Heilman (sp) said: "There are some who would say that the phosphate is waste from the production of hydrofluorosilicic acid..." (LOL!) http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram (06:50) Again, when fluoridators were informed that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! Dr. Heilman sounded to me more like a dyed-in-the-wool hydrofluorosilicic acid cheerleader rather than a "leading public health expert in the area." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO As noted above, Fluorida dentist RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly told the Pinellas County commissioners that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." Here is my source... Peter Glickman, president of Pinellas County Citizens for Safe Water says: IF YOU'RE PRESSED FOR TIME, BE SURE TO READ NUMBER 2 BELOW!! .... Table of Contents -------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says. 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined 4. What I'm going to do 5. What you can do about it --------------------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help On June 4, the president of the Upper Pinellas County Dental Association (UPCDA), Raed Kasem, 796-2183, faxed all the dentists in Pinellas County. His cover letter said: " Fluoridation - Your immediate attention is needed! "Dear Doctor: "The Pinellas County Commissioners are asking (UPCDA) directly for help in supporting them in the water fluoridation issue. "A well-organized minority has been very aggressive in criticizing the commissioners' decision to fluoridate the county water supply. This group has an anti-fluoridation web site and has been writing numerous letters to local newspapers. Recently a record crowd of 150 people attended a county commissioners' meeting voicing their opposition to fluoridation as reported to us by County Commissioner Karen Seel. "Fluoridating Pinellas County water supply is [This was sent 3 days before it happened] set to begin June 7, 2004. This action could be overturned very soon if we do not lend our professional support to the county commissioners who acted on our strong recommendation regarding this issue. "Please take a minute from your busy schedule to sign and fax the attached petition to The County Commissioners at (727) 464-3022. "Please feel free to call me should you have any question or concern regarding this issue." -------------------------- 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says: "Dear Commissioner, "As a practicing dentist in your county, I am writing to voice my support for your efforts to fluoridate the county water supply. I realize that you have had to stand up to a large amount of criticism from a very vocal minority. Please remember that you are hearing from a minority who use false claims and scare tactics to support their cause. As a health care provider, I assure you that you have acted correctly in fluoridating the water supply. Legitimate science has proven the safety and effectiveness of water fluoridation for over 65 years. All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation. As a leader in this community, you may have to put up with criticism from uneducated people using illegitimate data. Rest assured that the health care providers in your area support your efforts. "Sincerely, [Space left for signature]" Please observe that they have been given NO PARTICULARS OF WHAT WE'VE SAID. So, how do they know we are uneducated and using illegitimate data and false claims? And who's uneducated? The vast majority of these dentists graduated before 1) the lead studies in 1999 and 2000 showed the danger of "chemical soup" increasing lead in the blood of children leading to increased learning disabilities and violent crime (http://www.fluoridation.com/lead.htm); 2) the former President of the Canadian Assn for Dental Research, Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D., D.D.S., Current Associate Professor and Head, Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, reversed his stance on fluoride in a public apology in 1999 (http://www.slweb.org/limeback.html); and 3) Dr. John Colquhoun, chief dental officer of Auckland, New Zealand, in 1980 examined children's dental records to help promote fluoridation, found fabricated statistics and errors, but no advantage at all from fluoridation and began campaigning against fluoride (http://www.slweb.org/colquhoun.html) to name just a few modern studies. ----------------------------- 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined There is a good reason the author of the fax felt confident that 1) he could say, "All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation." And 2) expect the dentists to act without needing any FACTS. In 1997, the town of Natick, MA was being pressured to fluoridate. They appointed an impartial panel of 3 scientists, one professor of college chemistry and a chemical engineer. These did their own investigation, recommended the town not fluoridate, and published a 92 page report (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm). In Appendix B: The Difficulty of Research on Fluoridation, they point out that 1) numerous scientific studies submitted to US mainstream medical and dental publications have been refused and had to be published outside the US; and 2) the Am. Dental Assn's policy is that "Dentists' nonparticipation [in fluoridation promotion] is [clear] neglect of professional responsibility." (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm) In plain English, this means if they don't support fluoridation, they stand to lose their career, reputation and livelihood. ----------------------------------- 4. What I'm going to do I'm going to fax the author of the fax to the dentists a challenge to publicly debate the facts of fluoride. I'm going to make his day by making sure a copy of the challenge gets to all the major media in the Tampa Bay area. The date and time will have to be arranged. I don't want him to be able to say I'm not free that day like our county's Director of the Health Dept. has done three times when he was offered the opportunity to debate William Hirzy, PhD, an EPA scientist; Chris Bryson, author of the book The Fluoride Deception (110 pages of just footnotes); and Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry, St. Lawrence University. ----------------------------------- 5. What you can do about it A. Call, write, and email the commissioners with copies of the points above indicating we know the dentists are being pressured to fax statements of support without even knowing what they are calling false and illegitimate! Mail Address for all commissioners: 315 Court Street, 5th Floor Clearwater, Fl 33756 Email addresses Fax for all commissioners: 464-3022 Karen Seel (up for reelection) 464-3278 Robert Stewart (up for reelection) 464-3363 Calvin Harris (up for reelection) 464-3360 Susan Latvala 464-3276 John Morroni 464-3276 Kenneth Welch 464-3614 Barbara Sheen Todd 464-3365 --- [Todd Gastaldo, DC notes: Barbara Sheen Todd (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridation. I think ALL of them would have voted against it if the fluoridators had been forced to debate their position.] B. Show up with our group at the Pinellas County Charter Review Commission meeting this Monday June 14, 2004 at 7:45 am in Conference Room 211 at the Swisher Building, 509 East Avenue S. (It's one block west of Myrtle on Chestnut St., which is one block south of Court St. This is about three blocks from the courthouse downtown.) We need 150 people to show up to make the point that we will not go away now that the chemical soup is in the water. This will impress them greatly. The chairman of the commission has asked us to be respectful of our 3 minutes. I recommend you insist on our God given right to clean safe water with nothing added to it and tell the commission you want the safe water resolution, which adds this concept to the county charter, put on the agenda and passed. (The safe water resolution was drafted and submitted by another Pinellas anti-fluoridation group, Safe Water Alliance Pinellas.) C. Talk to, call, write, or fax every dentist you can with copies of the research they "probably haven't seen." D. Call anyone you can find in the media and ask them to broadcast (or print) the author of the fax's response and cover the debate. Please wait until after 2 pm today (Friday) to give me time to write and fax it to him. By the way, all calls to the media, or letters to the editor, will help us tremendously even if they are done next week or the week after. The media publish what people want to know about. If you call in, their producers pay attention to that topic and remember it for later. E. Call Virginia Brown at 443-4737 and volunteer some time or money. The more hands, the lighter the work.besides, it's fun! For Safe Water, Peter Glickman END Citizens for Safe Water Announcement To subscribe to the Citizens for Safe Water Announcement List go to: http://safewater.commercesite.com/ Copied to: Raed Al Kasem, DDS 3165 N McMullen Booth Rd Ste A2 Clearwater, FL 33761-2020 Phone: (727)796-2183 via Copied to: Attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc., PO Box 263,Old Bethpage, NY 11804 Copied also to: Pinellas County Commissioners... ; AS NOTED ABOVE: ONE Pinellas Commissioner (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridating: Barbara Sheen Todd. Finally, my usual public service announcement - it doesn't have a thing to do with fluoride - except that it involves health care professionals doing something very bizarre to children... PREGNANT WOMEN: Obstetricians and CNMwives are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%... For simple PROOF - and simple instructions on how to allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%... See: I ain't no Semmelweis, but... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2591 This post will be archived for global access within 24 hours in the usenet groups archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Fluorida: Pinellas County dentists unscientific?" 
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June 12th 04, 07:33 AM
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Fluoride or not? Is it safe?
Bob Longo wrote:
FLUORIDA DENTISTS UNSCIENTIFIC? They should move to Flourida! -- -History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-: --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm --- -------------------------------------------------
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June 12th 04, 11:37 AM
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Fluoride or not? Is it safe?
I am sure its a Communist plot .........
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:10:07 -0400, Bob Longo wrote: FLUORIDA DENTISTS UNSCIENTIFIC? RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly says that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." [Quoted by Glickman, see below.] A number of towns are reportedly ignoring such dentists and listening to scientists and getting RID of fluoridation... "Over 80 cities have rejected fluoride since 1996, including Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and Mtn. View California in 1985. This includes a number of towns which already were fluoridated." http://www.nofluoride.com/ In Pinellas County, Fluorida - ONE commissioner - BARBARA SHEEN TODD - voted against fluoridation.... A FUNNY STORY... When Fluorida fluoridators were informed of the fact that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! http://www.fluoridealert.org/g-glasser.htm I mention this because when Pinellas County (Fluorida) Administrator Stephen M. Spratt, called upon Dr. Heilman (sp) "our leading public health expert in the area" to address "concerns about fluoride..." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO Dr. Heilman (sp) began: "I know that you have been under significant pressure from selected citizens..." He lauded the commission for their decision to fluoridate... Commissioner Barbara Sheen Todd had to bring his focus back to CONCERNS ABOUT FLUORIDE... She made the point that hydrofluorosilicic acid is a WASTE PRODUCT... Dr. Heilman (sp) said: "There are some who would say that the phosphate is waste from the production of hydrofluorosilicic acid..." (LOL!) http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram (06:50) Again, when fluoridators were informed that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! Dr. Heilman sounded to me more like a dyed-in-the-wool hydrofluorosilicic acid cheerleader rather than a "leading public health expert in the area." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO As noted above, Fluorida dentist RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly told the Pinellas County commissioners that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." Here is my source... Peter Glickman, president of Pinellas County Citizens for Safe Water says: IF YOU'RE PRESSED FOR TIME, BE SURE TO READ NUMBER 2 BELOW!! ... Table of Contents -------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says. 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined 4. What I'm going to do 5. What you can do about it --------------------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help On June 4, the president of the Upper Pinellas County Dental Association (UPCDA), Raed Kasem, 796-2183, faxed all the dentists in Pinellas County. His cover letter said: " Fluoridation - Your immediate attention is needed! "Dear Doctor: "The Pinellas County Commissioners are asking (UPCDA) directly for help in supporting them in the water fluoridation issue. "A well-organized minority has been very aggressive in criticizing the commissioners' decision to fluoridate the county water supply. This group has an anti-fluoridation web site and has been writing numerous letters to local newspapers. Recently a record crowd of 150 people attended a county commissioners' meeting voicing their opposition to fluoridation as reported to us by County Commissioner Karen Seel. "Fluoridating Pinellas County water supply is [This was sent 3 days before it happened] set to begin June 7, 2004. This action could be overturned very soon if we do not lend our professional support to the county commissioners who acted on our strong recommendation regarding this issue. "Please take a minute from your busy schedule to sign and fax the attached petition to The County Commissioners at (727) 464-3022. "Please feel free to call me should you have any question or concern regarding this issue." -------------------------- 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says: "Dear Commissioner, "As a practicing dentist in your county, I am writing to voice my support for your efforts to fluoridate the county water supply. I realize that you have had to stand up to a large amount of criticism from a very vocal minority. Please remember that you are hearing from a minority who use false claims and scare tactics to support their cause. As a health care provider, I assure you that you have acted correctly in fluoridating the water supply. Legitimate science has proven the safety and effectiveness of water fluoridation for over 65 years. All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation. As a leader in this community, you may have to put up with criticism from uneducated people using illegitimate data. Rest assured that the health care providers in your area support your efforts. "Sincerely, [Space left for signature]" Please observe that they have been given NO PARTICULARS OF WHAT WE'VE SAID. So, how do they know we are uneducated and using illegitimate data and false claims? And who's uneducated? The vast majority of these dentists graduated before 1) the lead studies in 1999 and 2000 showed the danger of "chemical soup" increasing lead in the blood of children leading to increased learning disabilities and violent crime (http://www.fluoridation.com/lead.htm); 2) the former President of the Canadian Assn for Dental Research, Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D., D.D.S., Current Associate Professor and Head, Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, reversed his stance on fluoride in a public apology in 1999 (http://www.slweb.org/limeback.html); and 3) Dr. John Colquhoun, chief dental officer of Auckland, New Zealand, in 1980 examined children's dental records to help promote fluoridation, found fabricated statistics and errors, but no advantage at all from fluoridation and began campaigning against fluoride (http://www.slweb.org/colquhoun.html) to name just a few modern studies. ----------------------------- 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined There is a good reason the author of the fax felt confident that 1) he could say, "All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation." And 2) expect the dentists to act without needing any FACTS. In 1997, the town of Natick, MA was being pressured to fluoridate. They appointed an impartial panel of 3 scientists, one professor of college chemistry and a chemical engineer. These did their own investigation, recommended the town not fluoridate, and published a 92 page report (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm). In Appendix B: The Difficulty of Research on Fluoridation, they point out that 1) numerous scientific studies submitted to US mainstream medical and dental publications have been refused and had to be published outside the US; and 2) the Am. Dental Assn's policy is that "Dentists' nonparticipation [in fluoridation promotion] is [clear] neglect of professional responsibility." (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm) In plain English, this means if they don't support fluoridation, they stand to lose their career, reputation and livelihood. ----------------------------------- 4. What I'm going to do I'm going to fax the author of the fax to the dentists a challenge to publicly debate the facts of fluoride. I'm going to make his day by making sure a copy of the challenge gets to all the major media in the Tampa Bay area. The date and time will have to be arranged. I don't want him to be able to say I'm not free that day like our county's Director of the Health Dept. has done three times when he was offered the opportunity to debate William Hirzy, PhD, an EPA scientist; Chris Bryson, author of the book The Fluoride Deception (110 pages of just footnotes); and Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry, St. Lawrence University. ----------------------------------- 5. What you can do about it A. Call, write, and email the commissioners with copies of the points above indicating we know the dentists are being pressured to fax statements of support without even knowing what they are calling false and illegitimate! Mail Address for all commissioners: 315 Court Street, 5th Floor Clearwater, Fl 33756 Email addresses Fax for all commissioners: 464-3022 Karen Seel (up for reelection) 464-3278 Robert Stewart (up for reelection) 464-3363 Calvin Harris (up for reelection) 464-3360 Susan Latvala 464-3276 John Morroni 464-3276 Kenneth Welch 464-3614 Barbara Sheen Todd 464-3365 --- [Todd Gastaldo, DC notes: Barbara Sheen Todd (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridation. I think ALL of them would have voted against it if the fluoridators had been forced to debate their position.] B. Show up with our group at the Pinellas County Charter Review Commission meeting this Monday June 14, 2004 at 7:45 am in Conference Room 211 at the Swisher Building, 509 East Avenue S. (It's one block west of Myrtle on Chestnut St., which is one block south of Court St. This is about three blocks from the courthouse downtown.) We need 150 people to show up to make the point that we will not go away now that the chemical soup is in the water. This will impress them greatly. The chairman of the commission has asked us to be respectful of our 3 minutes. I recommend you insist on our God given right to clean safe water with nothing added to it and tell the commission you want the safe water resolution, which adds this concept to the county charter, put on the agenda and passed. (The safe water resolution was drafted and submitted by another Pinellas anti-fluoridation group, Safe Water Alliance Pinellas.) C. Talk to, call, write, or fax every dentist you can with copies of the research they "probably haven't seen." D. Call anyone you can find in the media and ask them to broadcast (or print) the author of the fax's response and cover the debate. Please wait until after 2 pm today (Friday) to give me time to write and fax it to him. By the way, all calls to the media, or letters to the editor, will help us tremendously even if they are done next week or the week after. The media publish what people want to know about. If you call in, their producers pay attention to that topic and remember it for later. E. Call Virginia Brown at 443-4737 and volunteer some time or money. The more hands, the lighter the work.besides, it's fun! For Safe Water, Peter Glickman END Citizens for Safe Water Announcement To subscribe to the Citizens for Safe Water Announcement List go to: http://safewater.commercesite.com/ Copied to: Raed Al Kasem, DDS 3165 N McMullen Booth Rd Ste A2 Clearwater, FL 33761-2020 Phone: (727)796-2183 via Copied to: Attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc., PO Box 263,Old Bethpage, NY 11804 Copied also to: Pinellas County Commissioners... ; AS NOTED ABOVE: ONE Pinellas Commissioner (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridating: Barbara Sheen Todd. Finally, my usual public service announcement - it doesn't have a thing to do with fluoride - except that it involves health care professionals doing something very bizarre to children... PREGNANT WOMEN: Obstetricians and CNMwives are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%... For simple PROOF - and simple instructions on how to allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%... See: I ain't no Semmelweis, but... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2591 This post will be archived for global access within 24 hours in the usenet groups archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Fluorida: Pinellas County dentists unscientific?"
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June 12th 04, 11:38 AM
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:33:06 +0200, Peter Meiers
wrote: Bob Longo wrote: FLUORIDA DENTISTS UNSCIENTIFIC? They should move to Flourida! Where they are giving flouride ............
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June 12th 04, 05:10 PM
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The theory behind fluoridation is that the fluoride ion
co-precipitates with the calcium ions on the surface of the teeth to form CaF2, calcium fluoride, which is very resistant to the acid attack that teeth receive every day from many foods. For the use of topical treatments such as toothpaste and fluoride treatments at the dentist clinic, this is fine. The problem comes when the fluoride is ingested into the rest of the body. What fluoride does to teeth, it can do to bones. It has been linked to osteoporosis (embrittlement of the bones). Sodium fluoride, the most common fluorinator for water systems, is a Class B poison and is registered with the EPA as a pesticide. As such, it is used to pressure treat wood to protect it from termites and dry rot. At a time when we are trying to remove pesticide residues from the water supply it makes no sense to add one deliberately. All the normal cautionary rules that we apply to chemicals seem to fly out the window when it comes to the fluoridation issue. For instance, fluoride falls under the legal definition of a medicine, in that it modifies all or part of the human body, yet it has never been required to, or ever passed, the FDA approval process. I could go on, but I will close this post with the warning on the back of a tube of Crest toothpaste:"If more than used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away" If the dental establishment thinks we are a bunch of wingnuts, I challenge them to contact Procter and Gamble and ask them why.-Jitney
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June 12th 04, 07:13 PM
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June 12th 04, 11:43 PM
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Fluoridation has been around for 50 years. What is the problem? See:
http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/index.asp Sabu "Bob Longo" wrote in message ... FLUORIDA DENTISTS UNSCIENTIFIC? RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly says that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." [Quoted by Glickman, see below.] A number of towns are reportedly ignoring such dentists and listening to scientists and getting RID of fluoridation... "Over 80 cities have rejected fluoride since 1996, including Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and Mtn. View California in 1985. This includes a number of towns which already were fluoridated." http://www.nofluoride.com/ In Pinellas County, Fluorida - ONE commissioner - BARBARA SHEEN TODD - voted against fluoridation.... A FUNNY STORY... When Fluorida fluoridators were informed of the fact that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! http://www.fluoridealert.org/g-glasser.htm I mention this because when Pinellas County (Fluorida) Administrator Stephen M. Spratt, called upon Dr. Heilman (sp) "our leading public health expert in the area" to address "concerns about fluoride..." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO Dr. Heilman (sp) began: "I know that you have been under significant pressure from selected citizens..." He lauded the commission for their decision to fluoridate... Commissioner Barbara Sheen Todd had to bring his focus back to CONCERNS ABOUT FLUORIDE... She made the point that hydrofluorosilicic acid is a WASTE PRODUCT... Dr. Heilman (sp) said: "There are some who would say that the phosphate is waste from the production of hydrofluorosilicic acid..." (LOL!) http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram (06:50) Again, when fluoridators were informed that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! Dr. Heilman sounded to me more like a dyed-in-the-wool hydrofluorosilicic acid cheerleader rather than a "leading public health expert in the area." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO As noted above, Fluorida dentist RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly told the Pinellas County commissioners that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." Here is my source... Peter Glickman, president of Pinellas County Citizens for Safe Water says: IF YOU'RE PRESSED FOR TIME, BE SURE TO READ NUMBER 2 BELOW!! ... Table of Contents -------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says. 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined 4. What I'm going to do 5. What you can do about it --------------------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help On June 4, the president of the Upper Pinellas County Dental Association (UPCDA), Raed Kasem, 796-2183, faxed all the dentists in Pinellas County. His cover letter said: " Fluoridation - Your immediate attention is needed! "Dear Doctor: "The Pinellas County Commissioners are asking (UPCDA) directly for help in supporting them in the water fluoridation issue. "A well-organized minority has been very aggressive in criticizing the commissioners' decision to fluoridate the county water supply. This group has an anti-fluoridation web site and has been writing numerous letters to local newspapers. Recently a record crowd of 150 people attended a county commissioners' meeting voicing their opposition to fluoridation as reported to us by County Commissioner Karen Seel. "Fluoridating Pinellas County water supply is [This was sent 3 days before it happened] set to begin June 7, 2004. This action could be overturned very soon if we do not lend our professional support to the county commissioners who acted on our strong recommendation regarding this issue. "Please take a minute from your busy schedule to sign and fax the attached petition to The County Commissioners at (727) 464-3022. "Please feel free to call me should you have any question or concern regarding this issue." -------------------------- 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says: "Dear Commissioner, "As a practicing dentist in your county, I am writing to voice my support for your efforts to fluoridate the county water supply. I realize that you have had to stand up to a large amount of criticism from a very vocal minority. Please remember that you are hearing from a minority who use false claims and scare tactics to support their cause. As a health care provider, I assure you that you have acted correctly in fluoridating the water supply. Legitimate science has proven the safety and effectiveness of water fluoridation for over 65 years. All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation. As a leader in this community, you may have to put up with criticism from uneducated people using illegitimate data. Rest assured that the health care providers in your area support your efforts. "Sincerely, [Space left for signature]" Please observe that they have been given NO PARTICULARS OF WHAT WE'VE SAID. So, how do they know we are uneducated and using illegitimate data and false claims? And who's uneducated? The vast majority of these dentists graduated before 1) the lead studies in 1999 and 2000 showed the danger of "chemical soup" increasing lead in the blood of children leading to increased learning disabilities and violent crime (http://www.fluoridation.com/lead.htm); 2) the former President of the Canadian Assn for Dental Research, Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D., D.D.S., Current Associate Professor and Head, Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, reversed his stance on fluoride in a public apology in 1999 (http://www.slweb.org/limeback.html); and 3) Dr. John Colquhoun, chief dental officer of Auckland, New Zealand, in 1980 examined children's dental records to help promote fluoridation, found fabricated statistics and errors, but no advantage at all from fluoridation and began campaigning against fluoride (http://www.slweb.org/colquhoun.html) to name just a few modern studies. ----------------------------- 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined There is a good reason the author of the fax felt confident that 1) he could say, "All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation." And 2) expect the dentists to act without needing any FACTS. In 1997, the town of Natick, MA was being pressured to fluoridate. They appointed an impartial panel of 3 scientists, one professor of college chemistry and a chemical engineer. These did their own investigation, recommended the town not fluoridate, and published a 92 page report (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm). In Appendix B: The Difficulty of Research on Fluoridation, they point out that 1) numerous scientific studies submitted to US mainstream medical and dental publications have been refused and had to be published outside the US; and 2) the Am. Dental Assn's policy is that "Dentists' nonparticipation [in fluoridation promotion] is [clear] neglect of professional responsibility." (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm) In plain English, this means if they don't support fluoridation, they stand to lose their career, reputation and livelihood. ----------------------------------- 4. What I'm going to do I'm going to fax the author of the fax to the dentists a challenge to publicly debate the facts of fluoride. I'm going to make his day by making sure a copy of the challenge gets to all the major media in the Tampa Bay area. The date and time will have to be arranged. I don't want him to be able to say I'm not free that day like our county's Director of the Health Dept. has done three times when he was offered the opportunity to debate William Hirzy, PhD, an EPA scientist; Chris Bryson, author of the book The Fluoride Deception (110 pages of just footnotes); and Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry, St. Lawrence University. ----------------------------------- 5. What you can do about it A. Call, write, and email the commissioners with copies of the points above indicating we know the dentists are being pressured to fax statements of support without even knowing what they are calling false and illegitimate! Mail Address for all commissioners: 315 Court Street, 5th Floor Clearwater, Fl 33756 Email addresses Fax for all commissioners: 464-3022 Karen Seel (up for reelection) 464-3278 Robert Stewart (up for reelection) 464-3363 Calvin Harris (up for reelection) 464-3360 Susan Latvala 464-3276 John Morroni 464-3276 Kenneth Welch 464-3614 Barbara Sheen Todd 464-3365 --- [Todd Gastaldo, DC notes: Barbara Sheen Todd (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridation. I think ALL of them would have voted against it if the fluoridators had been forced to debate their position.] B. Show up with our group at the Pinellas County Charter Review Commission meeting this Monday June 14, 2004 at 7:45 am in Conference Room 211 at the Swisher Building, 509 East Avenue S. (It's one block west of Myrtle on Chestnut St., which is one block south of Court St. This is about three blocks from the courthouse downtown.) We need 150 people to show up to make the point that we will not go away now that the chemical soup is in the water. This will impress them greatly. The chairman of the commission has asked us to be respectful of our 3 minutes. I recommend you insist on our God given right to clean safe water with nothing added to it and tell the commission you want the safe water resolution, which adds this concept to the county charter, put on the agenda and passed. (The safe water resolution was drafted and submitted by another Pinellas anti-fluoridation group, Safe Water Alliance Pinellas.) C. Talk to, call, write, or fax every dentist you can with copies of the research they "probably haven't seen." D. Call anyone you can find in the media and ask them to broadcast (or print) the author of the fax's response and cover the debate. Please wait until after 2 pm today (Friday) to give me time to write and fax it to him. By the way, all calls to the media, or letters to the editor, will help us tremendously even if they are done next week or the week after. The media publish what people want to know about. If you call in, their producers pay attention to that topic and remember it for later. E. Call Virginia Brown at 443-4737 and volunteer some time or money. The more hands, the lighter the work.besides, it's fun! For Safe Water, Peter Glickman END Citizens for Safe Water Announcement To subscribe to the Citizens for Safe Water Announcement List go to: http://safewater.commercesite.com/ Copied to: Raed Al Kasem, DDS 3165 N McMullen Booth Rd Ste A2 Clearwater, FL 33761-2020 Phone: (727)796-2183 via Copied to: Attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc., PO Box 263,Old Bethpage, NY 11804 Copied also to: Pinellas County Commissioners... ; AS NOTED ABOVE: ONE Pinellas Commissioner (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridating: Barbara Sheen Todd. Finally, my usual public service announcement - it doesn't have a thing to do with fluoride - except that it involves health care professionals doing something very bizarre to children... PREGNANT WOMEN: Obstetricians and CNMwives are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%... For simple PROOF - and simple instructions on how to allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%... See: I ain't no Semmelweis, but... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2591 This post will be archived for global access within 24 hours in the usenet groups archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Fluorida: Pinellas County dentists unscientific?"
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They contaminated all the bread products with flouridation so they
stopped doing it and switched to fluoridation. JOEL On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:43:40 GMT, "Robert Morrisette" wrote: Fluoridation has been around for 50 years. What is the problem? See: http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/index.asp Sabu "Bob Longo" wrote in message ... FLUORIDA DENTISTS UNSCIENTIFIC? RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly says that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." [Quoted by Glickman, see below.] A number of towns are reportedly ignoring such dentists and listening to scientists and getting RID of fluoridation... "Over 80 cities have rejected fluoride since 1996, including Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and Mtn. View California in 1985. This includes a number of towns which already were fluoridated." http://www.nofluoride.com/ In Pinellas County, Fluorida - ONE commissioner - BARBARA SHEEN TODD - voted against fluoridation.... A FUNNY STORY... When Fluorida fluoridators were informed of the fact that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! http://www.fluoridealert.org/g-glasser.htm I mention this because when Pinellas County (Fluorida) Administrator Stephen M. Spratt, called upon Dr. Heilman (sp) "our leading public health expert in the area" to address "concerns about fluoride..." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO Dr. Heilman (sp) began: "I know that you have been under significant pressure from selected citizens..." He lauded the commission for their decision to fluoridate... Commissioner Barbara Sheen Todd had to bring his focus back to CONCERNS ABOUT FLUORIDE... She made the point that hydrofluorosilicic acid is a WASTE PRODUCT... Dr. Heilman (sp) said: "There are some who would say that the phosphate is waste from the production of hydrofluorosilicic acid..." (LOL!) http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram (06:50) Again, when fluoridators were informed that fluoride comes from POLLUTION SCRUBBERS - they simply renamed pollution scrubbers "product recovery units" - LOL! Dr. Heilman sounded to me more like a dyed-in-the-wool hydrofluorosilicic acid cheerleader rather than a "leading public health expert in the area." http://www.co.pinellas.fl.us/bcc/med...04/Item_16.ram ---VIDEO As noted above, Fluorida dentist RAED AL KASEM, DDS reportedly told the Pinellas County commissioners that fluoridation is opposed by "uneducated people using illegitimate data." Here is my source... Peter Glickman, president of Pinellas County Citizens for Safe Water says: IF YOU'RE PRESSED FOR TIME, BE SURE TO READ NUMBER 2 BELOW!! ... Table of Contents -------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says. 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined 4. What I'm going to do 5. What you can do about it --------------------------------- 1. Fax from Upper Pinellas County Dental Assn to Dentists asking for help On June 4, the president of the Upper Pinellas County Dental Association (UPCDA), Raed Kasem, 796-2183, faxed all the dentists in Pinellas County. His cover letter said: " Fluoridation - Your immediate attention is needed! "Dear Doctor: "The Pinellas County Commissioners are asking (UPCDA) directly for help in supporting them in the water fluoridation issue. "A well-organized minority has been very aggressive in criticizing the commissioners' decision to fluoridate the county water supply. This group has an anti-fluoridation web site and has been writing numerous letters to local newspapers. Recently a record crowd of 150 people attended a county commissioners' meeting voicing their opposition to fluoridation as reported to us by County Commissioner Karen Seel. "Fluoridating Pinellas County water supply is [This was sent 3 days before it happened] set to begin June 7, 2004. This action could be overturned very soon if we do not lend our professional support to the county commissioners who acted on our strong recommendation regarding this issue. "Please take a minute from your busy schedule to sign and fax the attached petition to The County Commissioners at (727) 464-3022. "Please feel free to call me should you have any question or concern regarding this issue." -------------------------- 2. The form letter they are to sign and fax says: "Dear Commissioner, "As a practicing dentist in your county, I am writing to voice my support for your efforts to fluoridate the county water supply. I realize that you have had to stand up to a large amount of criticism from a very vocal minority. Please remember that you are hearing from a minority who use false claims and scare tactics to support their cause. As a health care provider, I assure you that you have acted correctly in fluoridating the water supply. Legitimate science has proven the safety and effectiveness of water fluoridation for over 65 years. All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation. As a leader in this community, you may have to put up with criticism from uneducated people using illegitimate data. Rest assured that the health care providers in your area support your efforts. "Sincerely, [Space left for signature]" Please observe that they have been given NO PARTICULARS OF WHAT WE'VE SAID. So, how do they know we are uneducated and using illegitimate data and false claims? And who's uneducated? The vast majority of these dentists graduated before 1) the lead studies in 1999 and 2000 showed the danger of "chemical soup" increasing lead in the blood of children leading to increased learning disabilities and violent crime (http://www.fluoridation.com/lead.htm); 2) the former President of the Canadian Assn for Dental Research, Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D., D.D.S., Current Associate Professor and Head, Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, reversed his stance on fluoride in a public apology in 1999 (http://www.slweb.org/limeback.html); and 3) Dr. John Colquhoun, chief dental officer of Auckland, New Zealand, in 1980 examined children's dental records to help promote fluoridation, found fabricated statistics and errors, but no advantage at all from fluoridation and began campaigning against fluoride (http://www.slweb.org/colquhoun.html) to name just a few modern studies. ----------------------------- 3. The Am. Dental Assn's requirement that dentists support fluoridation or be disciplined There is a good reason the author of the fax felt confident that 1) he could say, "All mainstream medical and dental associations support water fluoridation." And 2) expect the dentists to act without needing any FACTS. In 1997, the town of Natick, MA was being pressured to fluoridate. They appointed an impartial panel of 3 scientists, one professor of college chemistry and a chemical engineer. These did their own investigation, recommended the town not fluoridate, and published a 92 page report (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm). In Appendix B: The Difficulty of Research on Fluoridation, they point out that 1) numerous scientific studies submitted to US mainstream medical and dental publications have been refused and had to be published outside the US; and 2) the Am. Dental Assn's policy is that "Dentists' nonparticipation [in fluoridation promotion] is [clear] neglect of professional responsibility." (http://www.fluoridation.com/natick.htm) In plain English, this means if they don't support fluoridation, they stand to lose their career, reputation and livelihood. ----------------------------------- 4. What I'm going to do I'm going to fax the author of the fax to the dentists a challenge to publicly debate the facts of fluoride. I'm going to make his day by making sure a copy of the challenge gets to all the major media in the Tampa Bay area. The date and time will have to be arranged. I don't want him to be able to say I'm not free that day like our county's Director of the Health Dept. has done three times when he was offered the opportunity to debate William Hirzy, PhD, an EPA scientist; Chris Bryson, author of the book The Fluoride Deception (110 pages of just footnotes); and Dr. Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry, St. Lawrence University. ----------------------------------- 5. What you can do about it A. Call, write, and email the commissioners with copies of the points above indicating we know the dentists are being pressured to fax statements of support without even knowing what they are calling false and illegitimate! Mail Address for all commissioners: 315 Court Street, 5th Floor Clearwater, Fl 33756 Email addresses Fax for all commissioners: 464-3022 Karen Seel (up for reelection) 464-3278 Robert Stewart (up for reelection) 464-3363 Calvin Harris (up for reelection) 464-3360 Susan Latvala 464-3276 John Morroni 464-3276 Kenneth Welch 464-3614 Barbara Sheen Todd 464-3365 --- [Todd Gastaldo, DC notes: Barbara Sheen Todd (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridation. I think ALL of them would have voted against it if the fluoridators had been forced to debate their position.] B. Show up with our group at the Pinellas County Charter Review Commission meeting this Monday June 14, 2004 at 7:45 am in Conference Room 211 at the Swisher Building, 509 East Avenue S. (It's one block west of Myrtle on Chestnut St., which is one block south of Court St. This is about three blocks from the courthouse downtown.) We need 150 people to show up to make the point that we will not go away now that the chemical soup is in the water. This will impress them greatly. The chairman of the commission has asked us to be respectful of our 3 minutes. I recommend you insist on our God given right to clean safe water with nothing added to it and tell the commission you want the safe water resolution, which adds this concept to the county charter, put on the agenda and passed. (The safe water resolution was drafted and submitted by another Pinellas anti-fluoridation group, Safe Water Alliance Pinellas.) C. Talk to, call, write, or fax every dentist you can with copies of the research they "probably haven't seen." D. Call anyone you can find in the media and ask them to broadcast (or print) the author of the fax's response and cover the debate. Please wait until after 2 pm today (Friday) to give me time to write and fax it to him. By the way, all calls to the media, or letters to the editor, will help us tremendously even if they are done next week or the week after. The media publish what people want to know about. If you call in, their producers pay attention to that topic and remember it for later. E. Call Virginia Brown at 443-4737 and volunteer some time or money. The more hands, the lighter the work.besides, it's fun! For Safe Water, Peter Glickman END Citizens for Safe Water Announcement To subscribe to the Citizens for Safe Water Announcement List go to: http://safewater.commercesite.com/ Copied to: Raed Al Kasem, DDS 3165 N McMullen Booth Rd Ste A2 Clearwater, FL 33761-2020 Phone: (727)796-2183 via Copied to: Attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc., PO Box 263,Old Bethpage, NY 11804 Copied also to: Pinellas County Commissioners... ; AS NOTED ABOVE: ONE Pinellas Commissioner (roughly 15% of the commission) voted AGAINST fluoridating: Barbara Sheen Todd. Finally, my usual public service announcement - it doesn't have a thing to do with fluoride - except that it involves health care professionals doing something very bizarre to children... PREGNANT WOMEN: Obstetricians and CNMwives are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%... For simple PROOF - and simple instructions on how to allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%... See: I ain't no Semmelweis, but... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2591 This post will be archived for global access within 24 hours in the usenet groups archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Fluorida: Pinellas County dentists unscientific?"
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June 13th 04, 02:39 AM
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"Robert Morrisette" wrote in message
... Fluoridation has been around for 50 years. What is the problem? See: http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/index.asp Seems to me, the originator of the thread pretty well stated the problem. What's yours? -- "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary numbers and those who don't." ----------------------------- Byron "Barn" Canfield
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June 13th 04, 03:36 AM
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