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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2004 23:24:48 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: Your ancestors were definitely black We have no idea what color anyone's ancestors were. Yes we do. Black people in America have relatives who are descendants in Africa of the relatives of the black people in America at the time they were captured by black savages in Africa. That sentence makes no sense. But how do you know what color their ancestors were? And how do you know what color their ancestors' ancestors were? I was there. :-) ----------------- You're a lying piece of ****, *I* was there, and I DIDN'T SEE YOU! .... And I see not in my blindness What the objects were I wrought, But as God rules o'er our bickerings It was through His will I fought. So forever in the future, Shall I battle as of yore, Dying to be born a fighter, But to die again, once more. :-) Holger http://www.mind****.com/~holger1/holger1.htm -------------------------- Okay, "Patton". And I knew this was Patton even without searching. Now all you need is a mind to call your own. The thing about this poem by Patton, is that somebody with the least intelligence might have asked why we have to waste our time life after life like that, in futility and ignorant pride. There are much better things to do and glory in. Steve |
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Jasper PNL Mfg Co, LTD wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message Why? You're allowed to talk. Why not him? Slainte, Fletch ----------------- Simple. He's vicious and wrong. Steve why don't you two butt-snifferz get a room somewhere and do your crotch-grabbing in private ? ----------------- Eat **** and die! Steve |
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Jasper PNL Mfg Co, LTD wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... Mind you, I even LIKE the Romans, and Latin, which I studied for 5 years and can still SPEAK conversationally! SURE you can, BOY ---------------------- Ita, possum! Steve |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:13:17 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: Fat black bucks in a wine-barrel room, ... PLease indicate the relevance of Vachel Lindsay. He wrote the above poem. Duh. Since you didn't mention his name or give him credit, I supplied that information. But why is it relevant? Poetry is seldom considered as factual evidence of anything. It helps set the mood of the way the black savages lived in the bush with flies buzzing around and the smell of hyena and lion doo doo and the stench of carrion in the breeze. You could probably smell the savages a mile away. http://www.bartleby.com/65/li/LindsayV.html Please indicate what in his biography leads you to believe that Vachel Lindsay had any clue how people in Africa live(d). He wrote rhythmic poetry based on then-dominant stereotypes, which had no more in common with reality than your pontifications. Lindsay claimed that the poem tries to synthesize "vaudeville form back towards the old Greek precedent of the half-chanted lyric" and also spoke of it as "a rag-tune epic." This marked desire to fuse ancient poetic culture with more recent Euro- and African-American performance materials is part of Lindsay’s yearning to do something helpful to extirpate racial prejudice (in the aftermath of the Springfield anti-black riots in 1908), a yearning which is totally swamped by the poem’s raucous, sinister primitivisms. http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poe...dsay/congo.htm Now answer my question. What in his biography leads you to believe that Vachel Lindsay had any clue how people in Africa live(d)? The essay cited provides no answer to that question. Indeed another quote on the same page explains why his perspective is NOT valid: Though it is true that Lindsay's early life brought him into contact with a greater variety of black people than did Gertrude Stein's, it is especially significant for this inquiry that when asked by "elegant ladies" how he had acquired his knowledge of the Negro, he begins his response with a purely literary source. He remembers clearly that his father used to read to the children from Uncle Remus, and so, even before Lindsay began to have significant contacts with blacks, he was internalizing a primarily linguistic structure of thought about them. All his future experiences would be filtered through a metaphorical veil, and the nonwhite could speak to him only through the concocted idioms of Joel Chandler Harris. and from DuBois Mr. Vachel Lindsay knows two things, and two things only, about Negroes: The beautiful rhythm of their music and the ugly side of their drunkards and outcasts. From this poverty of material he tries now and then to make a contribution to Negro literature. ...Mr. Lindsay knows little of the Negro, and that little is dangerous. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
All of those thousands of years the black savages in Africa were just savages contributing nothing to the world. 1) Prove that they were savages. 2) Why should they "contribute something to the world"? The world contributed nothing to them. I'm sure that was the thinking of the very few who ever even thought about contributing anything to the world. They did very little thinking about anything except survival and where their next meal was coming from. Evidence is to the contrary. That sounds more like what the people of Northern Europe probably did during the Ice Ages. Any leisure time was probably spent sitting on a termite mound saying "muhfugger". (in their primitive language, of course) Their language is no more primitive than yours, of course. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:06:30 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Now answer my question. What in his biography leads you to believe that Vachel Lindsay had any clue how people in Africa live(d)? Most people with any education at all know how horribly black people in Africa have lived for thousands of years. My father-in-law knows first hand. He went on several safaris and drunk blood with the Masai, etc. It is a life too horrible to imagine. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:47:35 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: Holger http://www.mind****.com/~holger1/holger1.htm -------------------- You're a sick ****ing racist ****. Aren't you going to say "muhfugger" many times? :-) Steve http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:03:43 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:24:03 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2004 23:24:48 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: and were and had been savages for thousands of years hunting with spears and they may have even had bows and arrows. They ate wildebeest, antelope, monkeys, guineas, hyenas, wild dogs and each other, etc., etc., etc. That is true for all of mankind. Not at all. Haven't you ever heard of the Greek and Roman civilizations, for instance? Yes. And the Greeks and Romans had ancestors who were uncivilized savages who lived by hunting and gathering, just like all other human beings, and most of the evidence indicates that all of these people ultimate had ancestors who lived in Africa. But we don't know what color those ancestors were. The Greek and Roman civilizations existed about 2,000 years ago. They contributed a great deal to the modern world. Duh. But their ancestors came from Africa just like yours. And even long after they lived in Africa, they were "savages for thousands of years hunting with spears and they may have even had bows and arrows." The Greeks had the greatest ancient civilization. According to who? The Chinese probably feel differently. And what about all those European societies that *weren't* Greek in the same timeframe? What were their contributions to the world? All of those thousands of years the black savages in Africa were just savages contributing nothing to the world. 1) Prove that they were savages. 2) Why should they "contribute something to the world"? The world contributed nothing to them. I'm sure that was the thinking of the very few who ever even thought about contributing anything to the world. They did very little thinking about anything except survival and where their next meal was coming from. Any leisure time was probably spent sitting on a termite mound saying "muhfugger". (in their primitive language, of course) Holger http://www.mind****.com/~holger1/holger1.htm --------------------------- You're delusional. We lived exactly that way till we had the where- withall to do better, which only happens little by little, and only randomly as an accidental circumstance that permitted improvement. There wasn't anything random or accidental about the Greek civilization. Some time ago I looked up Aristotle in Encyclopedia Britannica. There were probably about 50 pages about him. I was really surprised at the comment that was made at the beginning of the article right after giving his approximate birth and death date. It was, "Aristotle contributed more to the mind of western man that anyone who ever lived." He, also, was Alexander The Great's tutor. Of course, Alexander conquered the world, as they knew it. Holger We are no different than they are genetically, or even culturally, as it was only a sick ignorant vicious streak in our culture that allowed us to enslave people without conscience and to abuse other cultures in the world to steal their resources and conquer another continent from its peaceful resiedents, or we'd be living exactly the same way! There's no nobility to western society, in fact we are far more vicious than most of our victim cultures we looted and pillaged and do still to this day! Or at least we have been, we are finally just in the last 40 years beginning to develop a conscience. Steve http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:08:55 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: All of those thousands of years the black savages in Africa were just savages contributing nothing to the world. 1) Prove that they were savages. 2) Why should they "contribute something to the world"? The world contributed nothing to them. I'm sure that was the thinking of the very few who ever even thought about contributing anything to the world. They did very little thinking about anything except survival and where their next meal was coming from. Evidence is to the contrary. What evidence is indicative of them doing anything productive whatsoever? They carved some ugly figures out of wood. Hooray!!! Just sat on that termite mound saying, "muhfugger", muhfugger", all day, like they do the same thing sitting on the curb in America today, except today, many have added, "racist", racist", to their mumbling. That sounds more like what the people of Northern Europe probably did during the Ice Ages. Any leisure time was probably spent sitting on a termite mound saying "muhfugger". (in their primitive language, of course) Their language is no more primitive than yours, of course. I didn't live a thousand years ago. I'm speaking of what they did for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Primitive means "old" or "primeval". lojbab Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:56:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: The Greek and Roman civilizations existed about 2,000 years ago. They contributed a great deal to the modern world. The Greeks had the greatest ancient civilization. All of those thousands of years the black savages in Africa were just savages contributing nothing to the world. Holger http://www.mind****.com/~holger1/holger1.htm -------------------------------- Greeks did nothing but quarrel and fight, the Athenian democracy was impossible without the enslavement of captives taken in often cowardly raids on other more peaceful peoples. Thomas Jefferson studied Aristotle and used his philosophy when he wrote our Constitution. (He was the primary author.) The Greeks put vowels in the alphabet which made language a lot more useful. Mind you, I even LIKE the Romans, and Latin, which I studied for 5 years and can still SPEAK conversationally! Latin is a dead language. Not anyone speaks it. Some priest use it in their services. Some people learn it in order to increase their vocabulary. Many English words are derived from Latin. Reminds me of so many blacks who say they have a college degree and you ask them from where and they say "University of Wedowee" or something like that which not anyone has ever heard of. When you ask them where it is, they say, "Wedowee, AL". Of course, no such university exist. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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