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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time for not paying child support..??
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-------------------------------------------------------------- Note how, in the 3rd sentence, all but $944 of the arrears had been paid off. Then the judge gets a case of the Moonies (Hyper-droolies, whatever... insert your favorite radfem here) and acts in the most ridiculous fashion possible - he tosses the man in jail, destroying his livelihood, forcing him to loose his home and granting his X everything she ever wanted. Even when the "debt" is paid, that's still not good enough for the radfems and their Divorce Industry cronies. "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!" shouted the Radfem Supporter. ----------------------------------------------------------- http://billingsgazette.net/articles/...adbeat-dad.txt Judge orders prison time for not paying child support By The Associated Press HELENA -- A federal judge here has sentenced am Alabama man to six months in prison for failing to pay child support for nearly a decade, chastising the father for spending money that should have gone to support his son. The attorney for Roman Glenn, 35, had requested his client receive only a probationary sentence so he could continue to work and pay his child support. In court Tuesday, Glenn noted that he has now paid $16,900 and was ready to pay the remaining $944. U.S. District Judge Charles Lovell, however, was not moved, saying Glenn had moved and changed jobs to avoid paying the $304 monthly child-support for nearly a decade. "You seem to have a great deal of ability. You seem to be very intelligent. You have had some very responsible jobs. You also have a history of leaving any job that you have after a fairly short time," Lovell told Glenn. "And now you come in, finally, at the time for sentence and you tell me you have paid this child support, which goes back for a period of almost 10 years. "It appears to me that you borrowed $16,000 from your young son without his consent and used it for your own during the last nine or 10 years." Assistant U.S. Attorney Paulette Stewart had recommended six months on house arrest as an adequate penalty, along with four years on probation. But Lovell said he wanted to make sure that he had Glenn's attention, and handed down the six-month sentence -- to be followed by one year of probation. "He simply has failed to meet his responsibility under the law as a parent," Lovell said. "We need the sentence imposed to reflect the seriousness of the offense, promote respect for the law and provide just punishment for the offense. ... I'm not certain this defendant yet realizes the seriousness of the crime." |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time fornot paying child support..??
Dusty wrote:
The first attempt to post this apparently didn't fly, so.... -------------------------------------------------------------- Note how, in the 3rd sentence, all but $944 of the arrears had been paid off. Then the judge gets a case of the Moonies (Hyper-droolies, whatever... insert your favorite radfem here) and acts in the most ridiculous fashion possible - he tosses the man in jail, destroying his livelihood, forcing him to loose his home and granting his X everything she ever wanted. Even when the "debt" is paid, that's still not good enough for the radfems and their Divorce Industry cronies. Dude, I'm all for fathers rights and believe the courts are way too biased, but you're coming off more "rad" than some of the "radfems" on this one. From what little we know, the guy purposefully evaded paying child support for a decade. For that, you think it's ok for him to get off with little more than an apology? What's to stop him from avoiding child support for the next 10 years if he learns he can just wait and make it up at the last minute? The guy deserves to be punished if he purposefully avoided child support for a decade. He makes all responsible NCPs look bad. As for "destroying his livelihood, forcing him to lose his home", thats a bit overly dramatic. He apparently jumps from job to job so it's not like he is losing the family business. And there's no mention of whether he owned a home or not. The guy isn't being forced to lose anything -- he's thrown it away. It also doesn't seem like his X is getting "everything she ever wanted". All she's getting is court ordered child support, and the $304/month doesn't sound wholly unreasonable. There's no mention she is getting anything else out of the deal. The judge did the right thing, based on the few facts we know from the news article. |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time for not paying child support..??
"Random Stranger" wrote in The guy deserves to be punished if he purposefully avoided child support for a decade. It's the system that forces him to run! Paying the monthly rate and the ganished rate is unrealistic. As for "destroying his livelihood, forcing him to lose his home", thats a bit overly dramatic. Really? You haven't a clue how devistating it is. 6 months of no income and then thrown onto the street with nothing to live on and a jail record hanging around your neck. nobody wants to hire a convicted felon!!! It also doesn't seem like his X is getting "everything she ever wanted". All she's getting is court ordered child support, and the $304/month doesn't sound wholly unreasonable. Funny, gas prices rise by $50 a gallon and people are claiming they can't eat, imagine if they were landed a $300 tax to pay every month? |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time for not paying child support..??
$300 tax to pay every month?
What tax? How is the child supposed to survive? The money is for the child. As for the sentence being harsh, it sounds like he did not pay until he was convicted. This sort of like giving back the donuts after you get caught steeling them. |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time fornot paying child support..??
DB wrote:
"Random Stranger" wrote in The guy deserves to be punished if he purposefully avoided child support for a decade. It's the system that forces him to run! Paying the monthly rate and the ganished rate is unrealistic. The article gave no evidence for any of that. There's no evidence that the monthly rate or the garnished rate was unrealistic. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. We don't know, so assuming either way only serves one agenda or another. As for "destroying his livelihood, forcing him to lose his home", thats a bit overly dramatic. Really? You haven't a clue how devistating it is. 6 months of no income and then thrown onto the street with nothing to live on and a jail record hanging around your neck. nobody wants to hire a convicted felon!!! The article didn't say he was convicted of a felony, did it? I'm sure it can be devastating, no argument there. I also think many people have done 6 months terms and lived to tell the tale. And I further think it /should/ be a pretty big burden on this fellow if his refusal to pay support for a decade placed a big burden on his child. If it was fun, it wouldn't be punishment. Unfortunately, the article didn't give enough facts to know if his actions were a huge burden on his child or not. It also doesn't seem like his X is getting "everything she ever wanted". All she's getting is court ordered child support, and the $304/month doesn't sound wholly unreasonable. Funny, gas prices rise by $50 a gallon and people are claiming they can't eat, imagine if they were landed a $300 tax to pay every month? Learn to debate, dude. What you just said has nothing to do with your claim she is "getting everything she wanted" and my counter-claim that the article said no such thing. I agree that a $300/month burden is tough on most people. My monthly bill was over a thousand so I can empathize (and I rent a small, old 3BR house so I'm hardly wealthy). The point being debated is not whether this is a fair or unfair amount, but whether or not she is getting "everything she wanted". Where do you live that gas is over $50/gallon? I'm not saying CS is fair, I'm not saying it doesn't hurt. I'm not saying the punishment wasn't harsh. I'm saying that, _for this particular news article_ we don't have enough facts, but the facts we do have seem to indicate that the judge acted somewhat wisely. |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time for not paying child support..??
"LLL" wrote in message oups.com... $300 tax to pay every month? What tax? How is the child supposed to survive? I agree. Without that $300, the child is most CERTAINLY doomed to death! The money is for the child. Uhuh. As for the sentence being harsh, it sounds like he did not pay until he was convicted. This sort of like giving back the donuts after you get caught steeling them. |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time for not paying child support..??
Judge is a retard. He should be removed and disbarred. He is a perfect
example of stupid and incompetent lawyer, who was unable to survive with his own practice as a lawyer, so he bribed and kissed ass around to be a public employee - nominated judge. How can he (and for that reason you people) suggest, that a civil case for owing money is offense to go to jail for? How can you people compare this civil matter to robbing bank - a federal criminal offense? Are you all stupid? This f*cked-up judge certainly is. -- Pursuant to Public Law No 109-162 I hereby certify, assert, testify, warrant, and affirm that it is not (nor has it ever been) my intent, aim, objective or purpose in any way to irritate, frustrate, bother, provoke, gall, aggravate, bother, bug, chafe, fret, irk, nettle, peeve, put out, rile, bait, beleaguer, beset, plague, tease, torment, worry, disturb, vex, exasperate, ruffle, harrass, harry, pester, bedevil, **** off, **** on, or in any other way annoy the reader of this post. "Random Stranger" wrote in message ... DB wrote: "Random Stranger" wrote in The guy deserves to be punished if he purposefully avoided child support for a decade. It's the system that forces him to run! Paying the monthly rate and the ganished rate is unrealistic. The article gave no evidence for any of that. There's no evidence that the monthly rate or the garnished rate was unrealistic. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. We don't know, so assuming either way only serves one agenda or another. As for "destroying his livelihood, forcing him to lose his home", thats a bit overly dramatic. Really? You haven't a clue how devistating it is. 6 months of no income and then thrown onto the street with nothing to live on and a jail record hanging around your neck. nobody wants to hire a convicted felon!!! The article didn't say he was convicted of a felony, did it? I'm sure it can be devastating, no argument there. I also think many people have done 6 months terms and lived to tell the tale. And I further think it /should/ be a pretty big burden on this fellow if his refusal to pay support for a decade placed a big burden on his child. If it was fun, it wouldn't be punishment. Unfortunately, the article didn't give enough facts to know if his actions were a huge burden on his child or not. It also doesn't seem like his X is getting "everything she ever wanted". All she's getting is court ordered child support, and the $304/month doesn't sound wholly unreasonable. Funny, gas prices rise by $50 a gallon and people are claiming they can't eat, imagine if they were landed a $300 tax to pay every month? Learn to debate, dude. What you just said has nothing to do with your claim she is "getting everything she wanted" and my counter-claim that the article said no such thing. I agree that a $300/month burden is tough on most people. My monthly bill was over a thousand so I can empathize (and I rent a small, old 3BR house so I'm hardly wealthy). The point being debated is not whether this is a fair or unfair amount, but whether or not she is getting "everything she wanted". Where do you live that gas is over $50/gallon? I'm not saying CS is fair, I'm not saying it doesn't hurt. I'm not saying the punishment wasn't harsh. I'm saying that, _for this particular news article_ we don't have enough facts, but the facts we do have seem to indicate that the judge acted somewhat wisely. |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time for not paying child support..??
"Random Stranger" wrote in message ... DB wrote: "Random Stranger" wrote in The guy deserves to be punished if he purposefully avoided child support for a decade. It's the system that forces him to run! Paying the monthly rate and the ganished rate is unrealistic. The article gave no evidence for any of that. There's no evidence that the monthly rate or the garnished rate was unrealistic. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. We don't know, so assuming either way only serves one agenda or another. ANY rate is unrealistic. As for "destroying his livelihood, forcing him to lose his home", thats a bit overly dramatic. Really? You haven't a clue how devistating it is. 6 months of no income and then thrown onto the street with nothing to live on and a jail record hanging around your neck. nobody wants to hire a convicted felon!!! The article didn't say he was convicted of a felony, did it? I'm sure it can be devastating, no argument there. I also think many people have done 6 months terms and lived to tell the tale. Just as there are many single mothers who collected no "child support" and lived to tell THAT tale. And I further think it /should/ be a pretty big burden on this fellow if his refusal to pay support for a decade placed a big burden on his child. It placed NO burden on his child. If it was fun, it wouldn't be punishment. Unfortunately, the article didn't give enough facts to know if his actions were a huge burden on his child or not. It also doesn't seem like his X is getting "everything she ever wanted". All she's getting is court ordered child support, and the $304/month doesn't sound wholly unreasonable. Funny, gas prices rise by $50 a gallon and people are claiming they can't eat, imagine if they were landed a $300 tax to pay every month? Learn to debate, dude. What you just said has nothing to do with your claim she is "getting everything she wanted" and my counter-claim that the article said no such thing. I agree that a $300/month burden is tough on most people. My monthly bill was over a thousand so I can empathize (and I rent a small, old 3BR house so I'm hardly wealthy). The point being debated is not whether this is a fair or unfair amount, but whether or not she is getting "everything she wanted". Where do you live that gas is over $50/gallon? That you fail to recognize the typo tells me that perhaps it is you that needs to learn how to debate. I'm not saying CS is fair, I'm not saying it doesn't hurt. I'm not saying the punishment wasn't harsh. I'm saying that, _for this particular news article_ we don't have enough facts, but the facts we do have seem to indicate that the judge acted somewhat wisely. There is no such thing as a wise "child support" judge. |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time fornot paying child support..??
Chris wrote:
"Random Stranger" wrote in message ... The article gave no evidence for any of that. There's no evidence that the monthly rate or the garnished rate was unrealistic. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. We don't know, so assuming either way only serves one agenda or another. ANY rate is unrealistic. Ok, that explains some of your responses. You feel NCPs shouldn't pay any support, right? ... I'm sure it can be devastating, no argument there. I also think many people have done 6 months terms and lived to tell the tale. Just as there are many single mothers who collected no "child support" and lived to tell THAT tale. So we agree it's possible that the 6 month term won't ruin the guy for life? Good. And I further think it /should/ be a pretty big burden on this fellow if his refusal to pay support for a decade placed a big burden on his child. It placed NO burden on his child. How do you know that? Or do you simply assume it to fit your argument? Where do you live that gas is over $50/gallon? That you fail to recognize the typo tells me that perhaps it is you that needs to learn how to debate. Possibly. I wasn't sure if you were trying to be factual, extrapolating to make a point, or just made a simple typographical error. Now I know. |
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2nd post attempt - C$ paid, yet Judge orders prison time for not paying child support..??
"Random Stranger" wrote in particular news article_ we don't have enough facts, but the facts we do have seem to indicate that the judge acted somewhat wisely. With such great wisdom, is it any wonder why the government is an obsolete administrator of common sense & simple logic? |
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