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In the area of AD/HD research, citing a book, etc. written 1998 is the
equivalent of citing King Tut.

Mark is correct that the info in a book from about 8 years ago (a book is
typically about a year out of date when it is published) is old.

Mark diverted from the subject.

Who brought up the subject of the book in the first place? You. Mark's
comment were appropriate.


In addition, there was a lot of information that indicated that ADHD was
a
real problem involving the biochemistry of the brain, even back in 1997.

What Mark stated was:The DSM IV clearly delineates the diagnostic criteria
for AD/HD.

And you posted info that suggested that ADHD was not a biological condition.

Your diversionary tactics did not work.

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In the area of AD/HD research, citing a book, etc. written 1998 is
the
equivalent of citing King Tut.

Mark is correct that the info in a book from about 8 years ago (a book
is
typically about a year out of date when it is published) is old.

snip BS

In addition, there was a lot of information that indicated that ADHD
was
a
real problem involving the biochemistry of the brain, even back in
1997.

What Mark stated was:The DSM IV clearly delineates the diagnostic
criteria
for AD/HD. The

snip insane need to argrr from Mark

AAP
has published diagnostic and treatment protocols.
However, there is no doubt that the diagnosis and treatment remain
in
the
forefront of discussion amongst professionals, and this is a good
thing, not
bad as you seem to imply. Refining, learning, studying is good.
You can do your homework and learn more about AD/HD by visiting
the
appropriate websites.

I did just that, and you can note it isn't any different that what I
posted.
Mark just want to argue, and so do all the *gang*.

http://www.adhdinfo.com/hcp/about/hc...osing_adhd.jsp

snip again

Although there is no single medical test that can accurately diagnose
ADHD,
clinical diagnostic criteria have been developed and refined.
There are a number of assessment scales used to diagnose ADHD and measure
the effectiveness of ADHD therapies. Some of the more popular assessment
tools include the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
4th
Edition (DSM-IV) ADHD criteria, the Conner's/CADS Scale, the SKAMP, and
CGI-I scales.

The American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines for diagnosing ADHD
include:1
Evaluate any child 6 to 12 years of age who shows signs of school
difficulties, academic underachievement, troublesome relationships with
teachers, family members, peers, and other behavioral problems.
Use DSM-IV criteria; these require that ADHD symptoms be present in
2
or more of a child's settings, and that the symptoms adversely affect the
child's academic or social functioning for at least 6 months.
Requires information from parents or caregivers and a teacher or
other
school professional regarding core symptoms of ADHD in various settings,
age
of onset, duration of symptoms, and degree of impairment.
Assessment for co-existing conditions: learning and language
problems,
aggression, disruptive behavior, depression or anxiety.


Primary symptoms of ADHD include hyperactivity, inattention, and
impulsivity. Children with ADHD may demonstrate 1, 2, or all 3 of these
core
symptoms, as outlined in the DSM-IV. Behavioral examples of these core
symptoms include2:

1. Hyperactivity
Roaming around a room
Talking incessantly
Inability to sit through a lesson

2. Inattention
Difficulty in filtering out unnecessary distractions
Being distracted or sidetracked by the movement of people or
of
objects

3. Impulsivity
Acting before thinking
Demonstrating a very short temper
Behavior that includes yelling or hitting


While children without ADHD may also occasionally demonstrate some of
these
symptoms, those with ADHD exhibit them across multiple settings, thus
impairing the child's ability to function academically or socially on a
daily basis.

ADHD contains subtypes with predominant traits. Therefore, a child
without
hyperactivity can still be affected by the disorder. The subtypes
include:

An inattentive subtype
A hyperactive-impulsive subtype
A combined subtype

Although boys are about 2 to 4 times as likely as girls to have ADHD,3,4
girls are frequently diagnosed with the predominantly inattentive
subtype5.

Children with ADHD often suffer from co-existing conditions, such as:

Conduct disorders, described by the DSM-IV as "repetitive and
persistent pattern(s) of behavior in which the basic rights of others or
major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated (30%-50%)6
Oppositional defiant disorder, defined by the DSM-IV as "a recurrent
of
negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority
figures that persists for at least 6 months" (up to 40%)7
Mood disorders (15%-20%)8
Anxiety disorders (20%-25%)9

References

1.. American Academy of Pediatrics. Diagnosis and evaluation of the
child
with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Pediatrics.
2000;105:1158-1170.
2.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of
Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in
Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for
Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American
Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93.
3.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health.
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Available at:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/helpchild.cfm. Accessed April 19, 2002.
4.. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Mental Health: A
Report
of the Surgeon General. Available at:
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/librar...ter3/sec4.html.
Accessed April 19, 2002.
5.. Dulcan M. Practice parameters for the assessment and treatment of
children, adolescents, and adults with attention-deficit/hyperactivity
disorder. J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 1997;369(suppl):855-1215.
6.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of
Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in
Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for
Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American
Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93.
7.. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of
Mental Disorders. DSM-IV-TR. In: Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in
Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence: Diagnostic Criteria for
Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. Washington, DC: American
Psychiatric Association; 1994:92-93.
8.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health.
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder-questions and answers. Available
at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhdqa.cfm. Accessed April 19, 2002.
9.. National Institute of Mental Health. National Institutes of Health.
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder-questions and answers. Available
at: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/adhdqa.cfm. Accessed April 19,
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What I posted says much the same thing:
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Article Last Updated: Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 9:13:03 AM PST

"Much the same thing" is NOT the same thing as the actual criteria and
treatment protocols.



Study reviews medicated kids
By Rebecca Vesely, STAFF WRITER


An unusual study is under way at the University of California, Berkeley,
that
could help parents, doctors, teachers and lawmakers better grasp the
economic
and social reasons why some kids are receiving drug therapy for attention
deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.


Dr. Richard Scheffler, a UC Berkeley professor of health economics and
public
policy, and Dr. Stephen Hinshaw, a psychology professor and leading
expert
on
ADHD, last month received a $900,000 grant from the National Institutes
of
Mental Health for the three-year project.


Unlike most studies that look at the effects of psychostimulant drugs --
such
as Ritalin -- on kids diagnosed with ADHD, researchers aim to uncover the
economic and policy issues behind prescription trends.


"There's enormous variation in the use of these drugs across state lines
and
communities," Scheffler said.


ADHD is the most commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder in children. In
the
decade leading up to 2001, the number of people -- mostly children --
diagnosed
with ADHD grew fivefold, from 900,000 to 4.5 million, according to the
National
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That rise coincided with
national
policy changes that allowed children with ADHD to receive special
accommodations at school.


Ritalin on the rise


At the same time, the number of prescriptions for Ritalin, Adderall and
other
psychostimulants to treat ADHD rose by about 50 percent over the past
decade.


Using data from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, researchers will track
shipments of these drugs to the pharmacies dispensing them to see which
communities are heavy prescribers.


In addition, they will drill down into those communities and examine
underlying
policy decisions, teacher influence and health care issues, such as
access
to
child psychiatrists.


Clinical research isn't telling the whole story, Hinshaw said. "All this
research is taking place against a backdrop of quickly changing market
forces
and treatment practices," he said.


Some states have enacted legislation that limits school influence in drug
treatment of ADHD. In Connecticut, it's illegal for school staff members
to
discuss ADHD treatment with parents.


To get a better picture of treatment and diagnosis, UC Berkeley
researchers
will have access to the medical records of 14,000 children enrolled with
Kaiser
Permanente Northern California.


This piece of the puzzle is key, the researchers said, because the
patient
records will include information about race, ethnicity, family history,
area
of
residence and compliance in drug therapy.


"Are poorer kids being underdiagnosed and rich kids being overmedicated?
We
hope to get a sense of that," Scheffler said.


The study is the first of its kind -- and atypical of what the National
Institutes of Mental Health usually funds, a spokesman for the federal
grant-making and research institute said, because of the focus on
sociology
and
economics of drug therapy.


Testing for ADHD


Skepticism about drug treatment for ADHD relates to the ambiguous nature
of
diagnosis and stigma surrounding mental illness, Hinshaw said.


There is no test for ADHD. Rather, diagnosis is based on observed
behavior
and
family and medical history.


When left untreated, ADHD can have a significant affect on a child's
growth
and
development. Studies have shown that untreated children with ADHD have
higher
rates of school failure, underemployment, illicit drug and alcohol use
and
accidental injuries.


"The problem is many practitioners don't follow well-established
guidelines
for
diagnosis and treatment," Hinshaw said. "There's a brief pediatric visit
and
sporadic follow-up and monitoring. Some kids are diagnosed too quickly
and
some, such as girls or inner city children, may get ignored and
underdiagnosed.
You need an accurate diagnosis first."



Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and have others suspect that you
are
a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Then LadyLollipop had better learn to keep quiet.

...

Jeff

Uh huh. Perhaps, it is the *gang* who just got exposed.

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The CSPI monograph on AD/HD refers to several of these studies.
The
model
used was double blind, cross-over challenge. For one thing, sugar
having
a
role was soundly debunked.

While that is true, sugar certain does make kids hyper!!!!!

Not necessarily

YES ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!

Forget any crossover study, ask any teacher!!!!!!!!

I have. They agree with me. There are MANY factors that will affect
what
I
like to call situational hyperactivity. Example:

A child attends a day camp which has several activity periods.

First period: Playground
Second period: Free swimming
Third period: Free play
Fourth period: Arts & Crafts.

A&C teacher tells parents kid is hyperactive after kid has had three
periods
of unstructured activity.

Camp is a bit different than daycare.

For example a Halloween Party.

On a rainy day.

So, the kiddies were confined and could not burn off their excess energy
by
playing outside.


SUGAR MAKES KIDS HYPER!!!
LL/Jan


. In the crossover challenge studies, kids whose parents
"absolutely knew when they had consumed sugar" were given either a
placebo
or sugar, and then switched. The parents were not able to accurately
select
those times when the kids got sugar.



LL/Jan


"Beth Kevles" wrote in message
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Hi --

I'd be curious to know about the studies that 00doc cites, about
the
parents who couldn't tell if their kids had been given "trigger"
foods.
Do you have the cites available?

By the way, I'll strongly second the notion of having some sort
of
a
double-blind test of trigger foods before accepting a diagnosis
of
food
intolerance.

--Beth Kevles

http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the
milk-allergic
Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as
medical
advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if
you
would
like me to reply.

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Jan once again demonstrates her inability to carry on a civil discussion or
to express an original idea by just reposting what has gone before as if
that says it all. Not even one complete sentence was added to this 14Kb of
wasted bandwidth.

--Rich

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"Mark Probert" Mark wrote in message

(...)

In the area of AD/HD research, citing a book, etc. written 1998 is the
equivalent of citing King Tut.

Mark is correct that the info in a book from about 8 years ago (a book
is
typically about a year out of date when it is published) is old.

Mark diverted from the subject.

Who brought up the subject of the book in the first place? You.

WRONG. It was contianed in the websites I posted.

Mark's comment were appropriate.

Mark'ss. comment were a diversion, just like you are doing right now.


In addition, there was a lot of information that indicated that ADHD was
a
real problem involving the biochemistry of the brain, even back in 1997.

What Mark stated was:The DSM IV clearly delineates the diagnostic
criteria for AD/HD.

And you posted info that suggested that ADHD was not a biological
condition.

Your diversionary tactics did not work.

...

In fact YOU are now doing just that!

Well known how you LIARS stick together.

Marks words:

Those websites you posted do not provide factual information. I suggest the
American Academy of Pediatrics and the National Institutes of Health.

Now Jeff, you can go back and read what I posted and count the times the
National Institutes of Health was mentioned. then you can do the right thing
and admit you lied and then apologize or not.

LL/Jan

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SUGAR MAKES KIDS HYPER!!!

.. . . shouts Jan, with no supporting arguement or evidence. Say in your own
words, Jan, why you believe this to be so, and how we may determine if it is
true. Add something of your own to this group for a change, instead of just
kilobytes of repetition. I DO congratulate you on the fact that the above
exclamation is a complete sentence, an unusual accomplishment for you. Now
it's time to attempt an entire paragraph.

--Rich

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Once again Rich is off topic atttempting to personally trash., wasting 2kb

LL/Jan


--Rich

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SUGAR MAKES KIDS HYPER!!!

. . . shouts Jan, with no supporting arguement or evidence. Say in your
own words, Jan, why you believe this to be so, and how we may determine if
it is true.

Excuse me, if I have not one shred of confidence in your judgment to
determine what is true, as you also do not believe in God and you don't care
if Peter lies to this newsgroup, his mother or the pope, neither can you see
all the evidence and studies concerning the fact that amalgams do cause
mercury poisoning, and you also are a liar, and you as proven by your recent
private e-mailing me. You also dodged the issue of you memory problems and
did not wish to discuss it.

My evidence is based on 38 years of seeing it with my very own eyes, it's
called EXPERIENCE!

Now there's you paragraph and more.

LL/Jan




Add something of your own to this group for a change, instead of just
kilobytes of repetition. I DO congratulate you on the fact that the above
exclamation is a complete sentence, an unusual accomplishment for you. Now
it's time to attempt an entire paragraph.

--Rich

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SUGAR MAKES KIDS HYPER!!!

. . . shouts Jan, with no supporting arguement or evidence. Say in your
own words, Jan, why you believe this to be so, and how we may determine
if it is true.

Excuse me, if I have not one shred of confidence in your judgment to
determine what is true, as you also do not believe in God and you don't
care if Peter lies to this newsgroup, his mother or the pope, neither can
you see all the evidence and studies concerning the fact that amalgams do
cause mercury poisoning, and you also are a liar, and you as proven by
your recent private e-mailing me. You also dodged the issue of you memory
problems and did not wish to discuss it.

My evidence is based on 38 years of seeing it with my very own eyes, it's
called EXPERIENCE!

Now there's you paragraph and more.

LL/Jan

Yes, that is a paragraph of sorts, so I thank you and congratulate you. I
won't critique your grammer, because that would be belittling. Now let's see
if you can get back to the subject, and do a paragraph on why "sugar makes
kids hyper."

--Rich

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(...)

And you posted info that suggested that ADHD was not a biological
condition.

Your diversionary tactics did not work.

...

In fact YOU are now doing just that!

Well known how you LIARS stick together.

You are so funny. You create a diversion, and then blame others for
responding to it.

Jeff


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