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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
Tom Zielinski wrote:
"Thumper" wrote in message ... On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote: But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just disciplinary, father. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with him. I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used towards his daughter. Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for condemnation. |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
Anim8rFSK wrote:
In article , "R. Steve Walz" wrote: You have no idea what went before, or who the phone message was actually intended for. Being as he says 'you' and says he doesn't care if she's 12 or 11 years old, the message is pretty clearly intended for an 11 or 12 year old. ----------------- Unless that's a posture and he's called Kim Basinger a 12 y/o before. You just can't know. This is why such an invasion of privacy out of context is inappropriate. Steve |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
"trotsky" wrote in message news:iueWh.67544$_c5.45116@attbi_s22... Tom Zielinski wrote: "Thumper" wrote in message ... On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote: But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just disciplinary, father. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with him. I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used towards his daughter. Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for condemnation. Are you really defending Baldwin? Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know better. That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history. It includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The Baldwin interview aside.) |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
Tom Zielinski wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message news:iueWh.67544$_c5.45116@attbi_s22... Tom Zielinski wrote: "Thumper" wrote in message ... On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote: But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just disciplinary, father. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with him. I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used towards his daughter. Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for condemnation. Are you really defending Baldwin? Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know better. That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history. It includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The Baldwin interview aside.) -------------------- It's just not that big of a deal or that unusual among parents, and trying to crucify him for it is the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone with kids has said things like that. Steve |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
"Tom Zielinski" wrote in message
. .. "trotsky" wrote in message news:iueWh.67544$_c5.45116@attbi_s22... Tom Zielinski wrote: "Thumper" wrote in message ... On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote: But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just disciplinary, father. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with him. I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used towards his daughter. Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for condemnation. Are you really defending Baldwin? Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know better. Absolutely true and it's completely unfair that the punishment for such poor judgement may be never seeing your kid again. Without this potential consequence, I don't think he'd be getting much support. And FWIW, I don't give a rat's ass about Alec Baldwin but there are a ****load of dad's who aren't him and can't afford fancy-pants lawyers and trips to the coast.. |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
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"R. Steve Walz" wrote: Anim8rFSK wrote: In article , "R. Steve Walz" wrote: You have no idea what went before, or who the phone message was actually intended for. Being as he says 'you' and says he doesn't care if she's 12 or 11 years old, the message is pretty clearly intended for an 11 or 12 year old. ----------------- Unless that's a posture and he's called Kim Basinger a 12 y/o before. You've got to be kidding. You just can't know. This is why such an invasion of privacy out of context is inappropriate. Steve |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
Tom Zielinski wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message news:iueWh.67544$_c5.45116@attbi_s22... Tom Zielinski wrote: "Thumper" wrote in message ... On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote: But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just disciplinary, father. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with him. I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used towards his daughter. Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for condemnation. Are you really defending Baldwin? Here's my take: I don't defend what he said, I would never say something like that to a kid in almost any circumstance. There are kids that are complete beatoffs that deserve some amount of tongue lashing, but we have no idea if this is the case here, nor do we *deserve* to know. What we need to start doing is ascribing blame in order of importance: the fact that Basinger would allow her kid to be humiliated publically by "leaking" this tape is FAR worse than what Baldwin said, and the disgusting, filthy pandering media publicizing it is far worse to. We didn't need to hear this just like we didn't need to know what was in the package that Cho sent NBC. Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know better. That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history. It includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The Baldwin interview aside.) Don't worry, that's on my radar. I loved "The Larry Sanders Show" when it was on, and there aren't a lot of shows I can say that about. |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote: It's just not that big of a deal or that unusual among parents, and trying to crucify him for it is the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone with kids has said things like that. Steve This from the guy who has stated on many occasions that sexual relations between consenting kids and adults do not harm the kids. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
On Apr 21, 8:57 am, trotsky wrote:
Tom Zielinski wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message news:iueWh.67544$_c5.45116@attbi_s22... Tom Zielinski wrote: "Thumper" wrote in message ... On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote: But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just disciplinary, father. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with him. I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used towards his daughter. Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for condemnation. Are you really defending Baldwin? Here's my take: I don't defend what he said, I would never say something like that to a kid in almost any circumstance. There are kids that are complete beatoffs that deserve some amount of tongue lashing, but we have no idea if this is the case here, nor do we *deserve* to know. What we need to start doing is ascribing blame in order of importance: the fact that Basinger would allow her kid to be humiliated publically by "leaking" this tape is FAR worse than what Baldwin said, and the disgusting, filthy pandering media publicizing it is far worse to. We didn't need to hear this just like we didn't need to know what was in the package that Cho sent NBC. ....and if there were *really* some journalistic principle that dictated against NBC's potentially paternalistic withholding of the Cho legacy, then they could easily have popped it onto some out-of-the- way but freely available web link. (This suggestion from the snowball's-chance-in-hell dept....) -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com |
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Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons
"trotsky" wrote in message news:TSnWh.7057$n_.6240@attbi_s21... Tom Zielinski wrote: Are you really defending Baldwin? Here's my take: I don't defend what he said, I would never say something like that to a kid in almost any circumstance. There are kids that are complete beatoffs that deserve some amount of tongue lashing, but we have no idea if this is the case here, nor do we *deserve* to know. What we need to start doing is ascribing blame in order of importance: the fact that Basinger would allow her kid to be humiliated publically by "leaking" this tape is FAR worse than what Baldwin said, and the disgusting, filthy pandering media publicizing it is far worse to. I absolutely agree. Doesn't change the fact that Baldwin said the words. We didn't need to hear this just like we didn't need to know what was in the package that Cho sent NBC. I'm still pondering that. Perhaps it would have been best just to let the FBI have the package. But I don't agree with those who say that covering the shooting as a news story is wrong. Would it be better we not know? Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know better. That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history. It includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The Baldwin interview aside.) Don't worry, that's on my radar. I loved "The Larry Sanders Show" when it was on, and there aren't a lot of shows I can say that about. Best written and funniest comedy in the history of television. Rip Torn is a national treasure. (As my good friend Paul used to say whenever we discussed the show in the 1990's.) |
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