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"Charlie Self" wrote
we have published numerous books on homeschooling From one of your earlier posts. If you didn't write book, what books did you "publish"? ? |
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"dragonlady" wrote
Why is it you think the city "owes" you a paved road in front of your house? Where did I ever claim that? The street was already here when we built our home 3 years ago but it was full of potholes, trash was everywhere and the paving was very thin as it was installed in the early 60's. No one else lives on this street. I cleaned up the trash, filled the potholes and then repaved the whole street. Street maintenance is paid for with property tax, which we paid. Aren't you the person that claimed to pay property tax through your rent? If so, then its no wonder all of this is difficult for you to understand. And where is the limit to that? Ask the politicians, as they are the people that make the rules. Unfortunately they are also the people that don't obey the rules. Someone has to make decisions about how the limited $$ gets spent; it makes more sense to me that the people we elect makes these decisions -- not individuals. So, if they collect money to pave the road and then don't do it, then what? I doubt that you would be so gratuitous if you actually paid property tax. |
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In article k.net, Don says...
"dragonlady" wrote Why is it you think the city "owes" you a paved road in front of your house? Where did I ever claim that? The street was already here when we built our home 3 years ago but it was full of potholes, trash was everywhere and the paving was very thin as it was installed in the early 60's. No one else lives on this street. I cleaned up the trash, filled the potholes and then repaved the whole street. Street maintenance is paid for with property tax, which we paid. OK - one street, which I take was a public (town or county or whatever) street. The POINT all along was - do you or do you not drive on roads paid for by taxes. Think the street this turns onto or leads onto. THe public pays for streets for you to ride on, no? Aren't you the person that claimed to pay property tax through your rent? If so, then its no wonder all of this is difficult for you to understand. And where is the limit to that? Ask the politicians, as they are the people that make the rules. Unfortunately they are also the people that don't obey the rules. Someone has to make decisions about how the limited $$ gets spent; it makes more sense to me that the people we elect makes these decisions -- not individuals. So, if they collect money to pave the road and then don't do it, then what? I doubt that you would be so gratuitous if you actually paid property tax. Appeal to the town? Possbily, sue? Did you go through those steps? I get this Paul-Harvey-Rest-of-the-Story feeling about this road paving thing.. But I do about just about all of your stuff (that part of it which is cogent at all, that is..) Banty |
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Take woodworking out of your send to group. We don't care about vouchers.
"Don" wrote in message link.net... "Charlie Self" wrote we have published numerous books on homeschooling From one of your earlier posts. If you didn't write book, what books did you "publish"? ? |
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Here's a better idea.... either killfile the posters, or the entire
thread. When people respond, they don't know where the originating post came from, so it makes sense to include all groups. Nan On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:37:31 GMT, "Joe" wrote: Take woodworking out of your send to group. We don't care about vouchers. "Don" wrote in message hlink.net... "Charlie Self" wrote we have published numerous books on homeschooling From one of your earlier posts. If you didn't write book, what books did you "publish"? ? |
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Banty wrote in
: In article k.net, Don says... "dragonlady" wrote Why is it you think the city "owes" you a paved road in front of your house? Where did I ever claim that? The street was already here when we built our home 3 years ago but it was full of potholes, trash was everywhere and the paving was very thin as it was installed in the early 60's. No one else lives on this street. I cleaned up the trash, filled the potholes and then repaved the whole street. Street maintenance is paid for with property tax, which we paid. OK - one street, which I take was a public (town or county or whatever) street. The POINT all along was - do you or do you not drive on roads paid for by taxes. Think the street this turns onto or leads onto. THe public pays for streets for you to ride on, no? wait... he says he has the only house on the street. doesn't he also live in Mass? there's a good possibility his road is a class 6 (not town maintained). Aren't you the person that claimed to pay property tax through your rent? If so, then its no wonder all of this is difficult for you to understand. And where is the limit to that? Ask the politicians, as they are the people that make the rules. Unfortunately they are also the people that don't obey the rules. Someone has to make decisions about how the limited $$ gets spent; it makes more sense to me that the people we elect makes these decisions -- not individuals. So, if they collect money to pave the road and then don't do it, then what? I doubt that you would be so gratuitous if you actually paid property tax. Appeal to the town? Possbily, sue? Did you go through those steps? I get this Paul-Harvey-Rest-of-the-Story feeling about this road paving thing.. a lot of New England towns have class 6 roads. they may or may not have ever been paved, but they are not maintained by the towns. they no longer pave or plow them (or fill in the mudholes with gravel or grade or...). if you buy a house on a class 6 road, you do the maintainance or it doesn't get done. if you have neighbors on the road & they agree, you may be able to get them to pay for a share of maintainance costs. maybe. i had a house that was the only house on a class 6 road & i just viewed it as a really long driveway when i sold the house, it was made *very* clear to the buyer that the road was NOT town maintained (this is actually important because you have to keep certain road clearances in order to be able to get fire & rescue vehicles to your house). they were still pretty stupid & insistant that even though *we* said the road was class 6, the town *would* maintain it for *them*. yeah, right... lee |
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Don wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Don wrote: Well, it cost $600 to pave the road myself, and I paid over $3k in taxes, so I think I have some change coming back. Now, what was that you were saying about me wanting you to pay for it? Ah. I think I get it. You're arguing that the City owed you good paved road in front of your house, and because they refused to do it, you got it done. So they owe you the $600 back. Rather as if you were a tenant in an apartment, and you had some essential repairs made because the landlord wasn't making them? Then the landlord would owe you the cost of the repairs? Is that what you meant? Sort of, but not exactly. It's more like this: I moved into an apartment and the landlord told me he'd have new carpet installed for $3800.00, so I paid him the $3800.00. Then after living there for 2 years the landlord still had not installed the carpet. So I purchased a lessor quality carpet for $600.00 and installed it myself. Does the landlord owe me any money and if so how much? Is that a good analogy, though? It would be if the 3K in taxes that you paid were ear-marked specifically and only for maintaining that particular road. If it was for other uses as well, then perhaps this was one they didn't get round to? I mean, suppose you moved into an apartment, and you paid the landlord $3800 toward general repairs, maintenance, and security for the whole building (each tenant contributes). You figured it should include new carpet for your apartment. He says that by the time he repainted the walls and changed the hallway carpet and put in new the drapes, there wasn't enough left for the individual apartment carpet. You then paid $600 to change the carpet...now, who is supposed to pay whom? Also, there is one further matter -- the city is not your landlord, in that it is not a profit-maker. It's more like, instead of a landlord, it's a tenant's co-operative that maintains the building. Everyone contributes. Rupa |
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In article k.net,
"Don" wrote: "dragonlady" wrote Why is it you think the city "owes" you a paved road in front of your house? Where did I ever claim that? The street was already here when we built our home 3 years ago but it was full of potholes, trash was everywhere and the paving was very thin as it was installed in the early 60's. No one else lives on this street. I cleaned up the trash, filled the potholes and then repaved the whole street. Street maintenance is paid for with property tax, which we paid. Aren't you the person that claimed to pay property tax through your rent? If so, then its no wonder all of this is difficult for you to understand. Do you honestly believe that my landlord doesn't include the amount of property taxes he pays when he determines how much to charge for rent? That if his property taxes go up he won't pass that through to me by increasing my rent went the lease comes due? I may not pay it directly -- but if he didn't charge ME enough to cover it with my rent check, he'd go broke in a hurry. And where is the limit to that? Ask the politicians, as they are the people that make the rules. Unfortunately they are also the people that don't obey the rules. Someone has to make decisions about how the limited $$ gets spent; it makes more sense to me that the people we elect makes these decisions -- not individuals. So, if they collect money to pave the road and then don't do it, then what? I doubt that you would be so gratuitous if you actually paid property tax. But they didn't collect money to pave the road -- they collect taxes for a general fund that, among other things, maintains roads. Then they decide exactly where the money is to go. You have the right to go to the city (or whatever entity owns that road -- you'd have to find that out first, and sometimes there are disputes about that) and tell them that you think your road needs repaving. However, they have the right to say that the need for maintenance on another road is higher -- or the need to install better safety equipment somewhere else -- or a new bridge -- or all kinds of other things. If each citizen had the right to pay up front for the one thing that THEY thought was most important to them, and then insist that the city/state/federal government reimburse them, things would be a mess. As someone else pointed out, since yours is the only property on the road, and therefore yours is the only family using the road, you might want to check and make sure it isn't a private road. -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Banty wrote: Maybe the city should charge him for paving all the roads he drives on ;-) Singapore has a special charge for anyone entering the central business district during business hours. It isn't used for road maintenance, being mainly a measure to discourage congestion, but I think it is used for other infrastructure. Another way would be a gas tax. Cover such matters as road maintenance, pollution control, traffic police. Or we could make all roads into toll roads. Once we get away from the idea of taxes, and switch to user fees, it opens up a whole lot of cans. Whether of worms or caviar I can't tell. Rupa |
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