A Plant's Motivation?

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...

snip

Yeah, when CPS finishes their witch hunt, and wants to burn
the parents at the stake, Dan offers the parents matches.

I offer the parents the tactics and strategy to get their children back from
FC.

Successful tactics... successful strategy.

And the kids come home.

I even wrote you hours of emails on the subject back in 2001, Greg.

And you ignored them all.

You weren't looking to get the little girl home.

You were lookin for someone to teach you how to sue CPS.

And all you've come up with so far is the Motion.

You've got nothing.

What's your strategy, Greg?

What are you working on now in your girlfriend's case?

Is the thought or reunification long gone?

Dan

Thank you. I've sent this to the administrators of my net account. They
will be following up.

LaVonne

dickinson wrote:

advice Too much information LaVonne. Be careful............there's
some pretty weird vindictive folks out there.

kev

"LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message
...
Greg,

I do not work for the state of MN, as an employee or as a contractor.
I
have never worked for the state of MN as either an employee or as a
contractor. I have a teaching license in Early Childhood Education
and
Early Childhood Special Education. I taught both disciplines for many
years. I have an undergraduate degee in Child Development, a Master's
Degree in Earch Childhood Special Education, and a Ph.D. in Early
Childhood Educatiohn/Early Childhood Special Education. I worked for
many years in child care. I worked in special education. I now teach
graduate courses at the University of Minnesota for students who are
enrolled in the ECE/ECSE licensure program.

This is why I acted like Fern was a liar about my connection to CPS.
She was a liar, Greg.

LaVonne

Greg Hanson wrote:

LaVonne?
Do you work directly for the state of MN or as a contractor?
Why did you act like Fern was a liar about your connection
to CPS?

Are you an heir to a large family estate?

Greg Hanson wrote:

So even though you work for the U of MN you say you
don't work for the state of Minnesota?

That's a good one LaVonne.

Felt the need to cut attributes again, huh?

As a former student of a STATE UNIVERSITY in MN,
I think you're getting a little carried away with
the ""independence"" of the U of M.

As a former student you would not understand the benefit system, Greg.

The more you heap on those kinds of credentials
the more I think you're in La La land, ivory tower
academia disconnected from reality.
The zeal, the cause, the esprit d'corps, the latent hippies.
Ah Minneapolis radicalism... How IS Jim McGuire?

Losing your chidren was maybe a good idea This is an example of the
irrational posts that I referred to earlier.

Ah, Minnesota, Land of 10,000 BUREAUCRATS sharing a brain.
Also known as Land of 10,000 taxes.
Only state besides DC to go for Mondale, and just barely.
The power of massive bureaucracy.
Like they'd vote for their own pay cuts?

More irrational content. This isn't about politics, Greg. This is
about children.

Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away.
The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant
woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she
provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my
liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a
conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over
themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman
that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the
opposite of a SERVICE to society.

What in the world was the purpose of this paragraph?

As for MY situation, which you brought up in Dan's style,
I should remind you that the SOCIAL WORK definition of family
is considerably BROADER than the courts, and that courts
have often been decades behind reality as society changes.

Really.

That said, Yes, My family had a child removed.

I'm not surprised.

Kind of slow on the uptake aren't you?
Don't bother to READ, because you're an expert! He he (cough)

Actually I do read, but I also have a job. If I missed your original
post, I apologize. I also post only from aps and have read through
ascps a few times. Since you have cross-posted to aps, I read and
respond.

Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate?

Lordy would that be wonderful. I'm a third generation heir to a to a
Swedish potato farmer that left Sweden for a better life. He came to
America and farmed for 70 years. He never became part of the huge
Carlson corporate estate, darn him anyway (grin). We weren't even
related.

Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation
rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty.

What an incredibly stupid statement, Greg.

Wow! Read the rest of Greg's post. He really does think I'm a Carlson
corporate heir! What a hoot you are on this level, Greg. And how sad
this must be for you child that I'm becoming more and more convinced
that you abused.

LaVonne



None of that eh?

Might have made you seem less like you were being
self-serving as in serving your industry.
Less economic incentive to be loyal to your paycheck.

Dan Sullivan wrote:

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...

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The more you heap on those kinds of credentials
the more I think you're in La La land, ivory tower
academia disconnected from reality.

A good education disconnects people from reality?

Only in Greg's life.

You want LaVonne to smoke some weed, Greg?

Probably. I don't smoke weed.

The zeal, the cause, the esprit d'corps, the latent hippies.
Ah Minneapolis radicalism... How IS Jim McGuire?

Ah, Minnesota, Land of 10,000 BUREAUCRATS sharing a brain.
Also known as Land of 10,000 taxes.
Only state besides DC to go for Mondale, and just barely.

So what?

So Greg is off on another tangent to draw attention away from why he's posting
here in the first place. His child was removed.

The power of massive bureaucracy.
Like they'd vote for their own pay cuts?

This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years!

Surprises abound.

Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg?

Must have been too emotionally distraught (grin).


Who are you a stay-at-home dad for?

How scary would that be, if it were true?



Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away.
The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant
woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she
provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my
liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a
conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over
themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman
that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the
opposite of a SERVICE to society.

What do ya think those people would say if they knew what you did to the
little girl and what you were doing now?

Maybe this was the "pre-child-abuser" Gerg.

Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed it down to the little
girl's mother?

I'd suspect society. And he's probably paying money to the mother. It may be
another reason whyt he is so irrationally angry.

The rest of your post is great. I especially like where Greg continues to go
back to his imaginary association with me to the Carlson empire. Greg would be
funny if he didn't abuse children.

LaVonne


As for MY situation, which you brought up in Dan's style,
I should remind you that the SOCIAL WORK definition of family
is considerably BROADER than the courts, and that courts
have often been decades behind reality as society changes.

The reality is that many live-in boyfriends are responsible for the
maltreatment of the children in the house.

They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate everyone in the family for
as long as they possibly can, and then move on when their girlfriend finally
comes to her senses (either on her own or with the encouragement of CPS and
Fam Ct) and decides she can't tolerate it anymore.

Your girlfriend hasn't been to court enough, Greg.

I imagine it's gonna go on for years... but you don't care.

In the meantime you're livin on Easy Street.

That said, Yes, My family had a child removed.

Yeah, right.

And yer gonna marry the mother as soon as the little girl can attend the
ceremony.

2012?

2013?

I got my tux on reserve.

Kind of slow on the uptake aren't you?

The only one who doesn't get it, Greg, is YOU!

Don't bother to READ, because you're an expert! He he (cough)

Try bonging it, Greg.

Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate?

Why?

Do ya want to move in with LaVonne if she is?

Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation
rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty.

Where'd ya get this, Greg?

None of that eh?

Might have made you seem less like you were being
self-serving as in serving your industry.
Less economic incentive to be loyal to your paycheck.

"Paycheck???"

I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg.

Dan

dickinson wrote:

X posting removed:

Put back in :-) as I've realised that you arrived at
alt.support.foster-parents via another group and may well not be reading
here (asfp)

LaVonne Carlson wrote:

Thank you.

You're welcome :-)

I've sent this to the administrators of my net account.
They will be following up.

I'm no computer whizz but from experienced gained ("persons" attracted
from/on certain newsgroups) I would suggest that you use one mail box
at your server or via an anonymous remailer to post only on
newsgroups, and another for your private mail that you give only to
your personal acquaintances. This means that any spammers or
"vindictives" who "trawl" addresses from newsgroups never get to your
private mailbox but are collected in a "spam trap" that you can
peruse at the "webmail" at your server without actually downloading.

I also use http://www.mailwasher.net/ which you can download for free.
This allows you to view your messages *before* they are downloaded and
even bounce them back to sender as undelivered mail thereby giving the
impression that they have a wrong address.

At the moment Oz is inundated with virus ridden mails purporting to be
from Microsoft. As many as 400 a day are filling the mailboxes of
those who have used newsgroups, causing genuine mail to be rejected,
whilst some folks who don't use mailgroups are relatively unscathed.
One way of defeating this is to use message rules in Outlook Express
to reject all mails over 140 kb (the virus ones tend to be between
143 and 157).

Hope this is of help to anyone with similar problems atm

kev


LaVonne

dickinson wrote:

advice Too much information LaVonne. Be careful............there's
some pretty weird vindictive folks out there.

kev
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LaVonne Carlson writes:

More irrational content. This isn't about politics, Greg. This is
about children.

Hi, LaVonne!

Actually, feminist social workers correctly address the realities of child
welfare practice with their tenet, "the personal is political."

This is, indeed, all about children. This is about the institutional abuse
of children who encounter the child welfare system, which is enmeshed in
politics.

As a social worker, you should know this, LaVonne. The situation is so
clear that our fellow social workers, child welfare experts Lela Costin, Dr.
Karger and others wrote an entire book entitled "The Politics of Child
Abuse."

No one can ignore the politics within any large bureaucracy. Contending
with it is a survival skill in family-systems social work. Ask anyone in
the trenches.

Not politics? Haw!

Why did you mention benefits? Aren't you in AFSCME?

Yah know, Greegor the Whore, I was going to save the eyes of the
reader and snip all this, but just couldn't destroy your masterpiece.

It is a fitting bookend to the other missive that Dan thoughfully
reposted for you and your admirerers.

But I notice that it really doesn't address the strange content of the
first document.

Truly a monumental smoke induced ramble, one might imagine.

Did you have fun?

Is your head feeling better now that you've taken out the garbage bags
of propaganda you had stored there?

We certainly hope so.

R R R R R

bingo bango bongo. .

Stoneman

I must agree with Kane. Hitler had the right idea. Parents have no
rights! Children belong to the state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LaVonne I. Carlson

LaVonne?
Hello. Is this thing working? Hello?

Aren't you in AFSCME and MEA? What other Labor Unions?

On 09 Oct 2003 16:24:09 GMT, (Fern5827) lies again:

Banana, notice the article doesn't say it was a CPS accusation. CPS
doesn't accuse. It investigates. A malicious employee Accused.

Why do you feel the need to lie all the time?

Is your case against CPS so weak you have to resort to such tactics?

I find it odd that HSLDA didn't bother to say they made the
investigation go away. I thought they were such a highpowered
adversary for CPS.

If this had gone as far as a removal I wonder if they would have shown
up in NM and defended the family in court? Or can they practice law in
NM at all?

Do you really think that this family was at risk? Given that the
answer to the allegation was so easy to provide CPS?

In other words, yet another fabulous win for HSLDA where all they had
to do was make a phone call.

Oh goodie!

It's a really poor example if you wish to shill for HSLDA. They have
done a few tougher cases. A very few.

Kane


FWD from http://www.hslda.org

False and Malicious Accusations in New Mexico


When the Royer family (not their real name) first heard from Child
Protective
Services, it wasn't a surprise. They had recently fired an employee
in their
family business for destructive behavior, outright lies, and other
problems.
When the employee intercepted a phone call complaining about his
conduct, he
pretended to be the boss. At this point his job was over: but not,
the family
suspects, his destructive influence on their life.


A New Mexico social worker left a business card at the Royer's shop,
informing
them that there had been an allegation of abuse/neglect against them.
When the
family called HSLDA, attorney Scott Somerville asked them to provide
written
authorization to the social workers to discuss the matter with
attorneys here.
Attorney Somerville then contacted the investigator.


HSLDA asked the investigator to describe the allegations. She
explained that an
anonymous reporter said the child "did no work," that she was "way
behind her
grade level," and that "they say she is being homeschooled, but she
really
isn't." When they were informed of these allegations the Royers were
astonished. Their thirteen-year-old daughter is successfully
completing eighth
grade work, using traditional Christian textbooks.


Attorney Somerville called Child Protective Services to explain the
situation.
While the Royers would be happy to prove to any reasonable person
that their
child was succeeding academically, they believe that it isn't
appropriate to
respond to a false and malicious complaint. HSLDA asked the
investigator to
contact her supervisor or an attorney for the agency to address the
problem of
malicious reporting.


Please pray for this family, and others across the country that are
facing
similar situations. By working hard and working together, HSLDA
members are
changing the way that Child Protective Services deal with false and
malicious
allegations. We will not passively allow evil people to attack our
families by
abusing a system that was intended to protect people.


FWD Newsgroup alt support child protective services.

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com Look, especially for the
New Contacts
and New Members area. Networking support within the states to
counter false
allegations of neglect and abuse.




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