Meeting with lawyer

You aren't getting married? You get harder to understand with each post.

"Werebat" wrote in message
news:Jq3Yd.57230$7z6.38089@lakeread04...

I am meeting with my lawyer in one week. He is the same one who oversaw
my divorce, NOT the one who led me through that farcical affair
concerning CSE.

While I'm not planning to go into the courtroom anytime soon, I have to
ask him for some advice on two fronts.

First, my live-in GF is pregnant with our baby (he's a boy!), and is due
in June. We had many talks about what it would take for me to feel
secure having another child, and she has been very understanding
(especially since she was with me all through the horror show with CSE
over a year ago). We are quite happy living together in her house and
have no intentions of splitting up! What I want to do is set things up
so that we share joint legal and physical custody of our child, before
there is any animosity between us (not that I think there is going to be
any, but I have learned that you have to be safe). For now I'd be happy
with a legally binding 50/50 joint physical custody, and no CS changing
hands (doubt the courts will go for that one though). She earns about
three times what I do, though, so since she is the higher income parent
and she is female I think the courts might find a way to waive it for
her. Good. I have no need of her money and no need for CSE's meddling
with our finances.

Second, my ex-wife's monthly money that she receives from me for
"student loan repayments" (do not be fooled, she simply lived on this
money) is about to run out in 6 months because I will have paid her in
full by then. She has not found any other sources of income over the
past year so I know losing this money will be a financial blow to her
and I don't see how she will continue managing her household after it
stops rolling in, short of gasp getting a *job*! Since we all know
THAT isn't likely to happen, and she knows she can always just run back
to Welfare so their thugs will rough me up for a higher "obligation", I
need to know what my options are (particularly concerning outright suing
for full custody of my son).

Can anyone think of any useful questions or information I should bring
with me to the meeting?

Yes - what are your chance of gaining custody of our children from your
ex-wife if she does not get a job, but instead goes on welfare? It never
hurts to ask this type of question...

Tracy
~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/

Tracy wrote:

"Werebat" wrote in message
news:Jq3Yd.57230$7z6.38089@lakeread04...

I am meeting with my lawyer in one week. He is the same one who oversaw
my divorce, NOT the one who led me through that farcical affair
concerning CSE.

While I'm not planning to go into the courtroom anytime soon, I have to
ask him for some advice on two fronts.

First, my live-in GF is pregnant with our baby (he's a boy!), and is due
in June. We had many talks about what it would take for me to feel
secure having another child, and she has been very understanding
(especially since she was with me all through the horror show with CSE
over a year ago). We are quite happy living together in her house and
have no intentions of splitting up! What I want to do is set things up
so that we share joint legal and physical custody of our child, before
there is any animosity between us (not that I think there is going to be
any, but I have learned that you have to be safe). For now I'd be happy
with a legally binding 50/50 joint physical custody, and no CS changing
hands (doubt the courts will go for that one though). She earns about
three times what I do, though, so since she is the higher income parent
and she is female I think the courts might find a way to waive it for
her. Good. I have no need of her money and no need for CSE's meddling
with our finances.

Second, my ex-wife's monthly money that she receives from me for
"student loan repayments" (do not be fooled, she simply lived on this
money) is about to run out in 6 months because I will have paid her in
full by then. She has not found any other sources of income over the
past year so I know losing this money will be a financial blow to her
and I don't see how she will continue managing her household after it
stops rolling in, short of gasp getting a *job*! Since we all know
THAT isn't likely to happen, and she knows she can always just run back
to Welfare so their thugs will rough me up for a higher "obligation", I
need to know what my options are (particularly concerning outright suing
for full custody of my son).

Can anyone think of any useful questions or information I should bring
with me to the meeting?


Yes - what are your chance of gaining custody of our children from your
ex-wife if she does not get a job, but instead goes on welfare? It never
hurts to ask this type of question...

This is exactly the type of question I'll be asking. Not that I'm
planning to do so, and not that I have any intentions of "taking him
away from her", but I do want to know what my options are. I'm 99% sure
what is really going to happen (if anything) is that we will be
bargaining with each other again, and that nothing will ever go before a
judge. In this situation I'd rather have something in my corner other
than two lawyers telling us both, "If she takes this to the judge he'll
give her 90% -- now go run along and work something out between
yourselves, you two." The only bargaining chip that situation left me
with last time was to threaten that I'd leave him with her 100% of the
time if I wasn't happy with the CS, and she knows I'd never even
threaten to do that because I wouldn't follow through on it.

- Ron ^*^

Yeah, it was probably tough scrounging up the money to feed your children
when they visited you with what income remained after you donated happily to
the ex.

I don't quite understand why you are here? You make 364 thou/year and you
are worried about what your current wife is not getting in child support.
Giving advice to people who are financially oppressed by a terribly unjust
system.
You make 364 thousand per year and you want to tell me you need money to buy
sheets for your bed.

A couple of posts ago I called it. You made much more money than you needed
to live. I also said that you probably left your wife for your new honey.
Just curious, was I right there or just whacked????
"William Barger" wrote in message
...
You equate relationshios with bomb shelters and life preservers... No I
do not see the point. My ex took more than 50%, and yes it did feel
good. She put as much time and effort into the marriage and chilld
rearing as I did. She even gave up her career. She didn't get 50% of my
wages in CS. That would equal to about $162,500 annually, but she got a
good chunk.

He dont need no damn insurance. He makes 364,000/year and he is damn happy
to give his ex. more money than it took to raise his children.





"Phil #3" wrote in message
ink.net...
So you don't have insurance?
One should plan for every contingency.
Phil #3

"William Barger" wrote in message
...
Plan for failure and that is what will happen.

Still Whacked! I am still single, and plan on staying that way until
Billy goes to college. Do not want any interference. And the $364,000
was back in the mid 80's. Doing a little better than that now. Fail to
see what difference it makes. I do not need $ to buy sheets. But bedding
is part of the equation. My main disagreement is with people saying
there ex uses CS for things other than supporting their kids. Basically,
unless they use drugs or alcohol, all $ is spent on the kids . It may be
indirectly, such as sheets, electricity, landscaping, etc. But I hear
people bitch about the amount they have to pay; when the $ amount won't
buy their bubblegum. My second wife pays $30. a week. And all she does
is bitch about it. $30...? That is the minimum in Florida. I don't need
it, but she does. She needs to know that she is contributing, even in a
small way. I donate her $1,400 and $1,400 of my own to The Red Cross
every year. She doesn't know that, and would be ****ed to find out.
Andhow do you figure I make more than I need to live? Everything is
relative. She makes around $50k, hence the small amount she is required
to pay.
I love children. Their innocence, desire to learn, willingness to take
chances, and most of all their ability to give unconditional love with
no strings attached. The latter is something I do not wish to lose with
age. Maybe that is why I am here at this gruop.. Not all parents make
the money I do, but love their kids just as much. The unfortunate ones
that get divorced and ordered to pay lose something irreplaceable.
Little things like tucking the kids into bed, kisses goodnight, helping
with small mundane things... But I hear absolutely no bitchin about
those losses here. Only the ones from the pocketbook. Not only that, but
I hear scheming on how to schruck their most important responsibility.
In my first marriage I lost those things and it hurt. That is one reason
I said it felt good to pay. Paying did not replace those things, but I
slept better knowing I was doing the right thing. The ex and kids both
appreciated it. It allowed the stigma of divorce to be a little less
stressful on the girls.
How is it that people are financially oppressed because of child
support? If they were still a family unit wouldn't they still be paying
for their children's upkeep? Every last penny if need be. I think a big
part is the loss of that pussy or penis and jealousy that someone is
getting it instead. Why is it that they become suddenly oppressed
because of child support, which in reality they have been paying since
the children were conceived? Money wasn't the driving force that made
conception possible. It was love (or lust).
I guess it comes down to what you can live with. People want to screw
their children out of their wants and needs there is litttle I can do
about it. I WILL NOT stop, however, being a proponent for kids. If one
deadbeat changes their ways then it will be worth the time and energy
spent. If you want any further guidance please do not hesitate to ask.
Bill

You are comparing apples to oranges. What do relationships have to do
with insurance, etc. Your decision to live together gives you little
room to wrangle in court anyway. There is something to be said for
spontaneity. You are planning this like a vacation. A rather bad one to
boot. But take Screwed Up's advice and ignore Mr. Barger!

"William Barger" wrote in message
...
Still Whacked! I am still single, and plan on staying that way until
Billy goes to college. Do not want any interference. And the $364,000
was back in the mid 80's. Doing a little better than that now. Fail to
see what difference it makes. I do not need $ to buy sheets. But bedding
is part of the equation. My main disagreement is with people saying
there ex uses CS for things other than supporting their kids. Basically,
unless they use drugs or alcohol, all $ is spent on the kids . It may be
indirectly, such as sheets, electricity, landscaping, etc. But I hear
people bitch about the amount they have to pay; when the $ amount won't
buy their bubblegum. My second wife pays $30. a week. And all she does
is bitch about it. $30...? That is the minimum in Florida. I don't need
it, but she does. She needs to know that she is contributing, even in a
small way. I donate her $1,400 and $1,400 of my own to The Red Cross
every year. She doesn't know that, and would be ****ed to find out.
Andhow do you figure I make more than I need to live? Everything is
relative. She makes around $50k, hence the small amount she is required
to pay.
I love children. Their innocence, desire to learn, willingness to take
chances, and most of all their ability to give unconditional love with
no strings attached. The latter is something I do not wish to lose with
age. Maybe that is why I am here at this gruop.. Not all parents make
the money I do, but love their kids just as much. The unfortunate ones
that get divorced and ordered to pay lose something irreplaceable.
Little things like tucking the kids into bed, kisses goodnight, helping
with small mundane things... But I hear absolutely no bitchin about
those losses here.

You have nor been reading long enough, then, because the loss of these
things is, indeed mentioned here.

Only the ones from the pocketbook. Not only that, but
I hear scheming on how to schruck their most important responsibility.
In my first marriage I lost those things and it hurt. That is one reason
I said it felt good to pay. Paying did not replace those things, but I
slept better knowing I was doing the right thing. The ex and kids both
appreciated it. It allowed the stigma of divorce to be a little less
stressful on the girls.
How is it that people are financially oppressed because of child
support? If they were still a family unit wouldn't they still be paying
for their children's upkeep?

This, I think, is where you are not well enough informed. Child support is
supposed to help the children maintain the same standard of living that
they enjoyed before the parents were divorced. Except now there are 2
households to maintain--dad's and mom's. Do you really think that the same
amount of money that supported one household previously can support 2 at the
same standard of living that was enjoyed before the divorce? CS standards
insist that this should happen.

The other issue is custody of the children. The custodial parent has the
privilege of having their house payment, utilities, children's clothing,
cost of transportation, etc, taken into consideration when setting the CS
amount. The NCP has only his paycheck considered--unless the number of
overnights with his children reach a certain amount. Now, if he has the
children overnight, do they not need beds? Do they not need food? Do they
not need utilities? Entertainment? But all of these amounts have already
been awarded to the custodial parent, so the NCP is paying twice for the
same things. That may not be a big issue at 400K per year. But it is a
huge thing at 50K or less per year. Perhaps a walk in the real world would
do you some good. You seem kind hearted enough--but you don't seem to be
quite in touch with the reality that many here deal with daily.


Every last penny if need be. I think a big
part is the loss of that pussy or penis and jealousy that someone is
getting it instead. Why is it that they become suddenly oppressed
because of child support, which in reality they have been paying since
the children were conceived? Money wasn't the driving force that made
conception possible. It was love (or lust).
I guess it comes down to what you can live with. People want to screw
their children out of their wants and needs there is litttle I can do
about it. I WILL NOT stop, however, being a proponent for kids.

I'm a proponent for kids. I think every child deserves both parents in
their lives. I can't imagine what my life would have been like without my
father--nor what my girls lives would be without their father. The child
support system as it now stands is devisive and adversarial--and that hurts
children. If you are truly a proponent of children, look more closely into
the system, and talk to people who are impacted by it--on both sides. You
may be surprised what you learn.

If one
deadbeat changes their ways then it will be worth the time and energy
spent. If you want any further guidance please do not hesitate to ask.
Bill

This group is called alt. child-support. Therefore people bitch about child
support. Yes the amount is oppressive to me and many others here on this
group. Why? Because we are not millionaires donating our portions of child
support to charity. We actually need what is left of our income to live.
The child support AWARDS that our old PUSSIES
steal from us in many cases is much more than is needed to raise the
children. This AWARD limits what we can do with our children who we happen
to love, adore etc. Your ex has a problem with 30 bucks!!!Imagine how your
ex would feel if she where feeding and entertaining your children 1/2 the
year while paying you 15k of her 50k and you where nice enough to keep all
of the tax exemptions because they slept at your house 10 nights more than
at hers.
Now if your ex that pays you 30 dollars would get a $1/hr raise,would you
take her to court to increase your 30??? My millionaire's prostitute (ex
pussy) did!!!!!! Again you make too much money to be affected by child
support and I have no idea why you are here when you can be sitting on the
dock in your back yard looking past your yacht watching the boats head out
toward the ocean. I used to be able to do that!!!

As far as loving my children!!!!!!!!!!!No less than you and probably more.
Mine where torn from me by an evil, selfish (greedy cause she gets more
money without shared custody) ex. pussy. and a local judge, thus my name.
There is no newsgroup that could tolerate the depression you would find on
alt.thesystemstolemychildren.com. I guess I would probably see you there
badgering the depressed and telling them how if they made a million a year
they could win their children back in court.

By the way, I have now upgraded my pussy.
Used the old one every day but never loved it and was never jealous when she
downgraded on looks and upgraded on money.




"William Barger" wrote in message
...
Still Whacked! I am still single, and plan on staying that way until
Billy goes to college. Do not want any interference. And the $364,000
was back in the mid 80's. Doing a little better than that now. Fail to
see what difference it makes. I do not need $ to buy sheets. But bedding
is part of the equation. My main disagreement is with people saying
there ex uses CS for things other than supporting their kids. Basically,
unless they use drugs or alcohol, all $ is spent on the kids . It may be
indirectly, such as sheets, electricity, landscaping, etc. But I hear
people bitch about the amount they have to pay; when the $ amount won't
buy their bubblegum. My second wife pays $30. a week. And all she does
is bitch about it. $30...? That is the minimum in Florida. I don't need
it, but she does. She needs to know that she is contributing, even in a
small way. I donate her $1,400 and $1,400 of my own to The Red Cross
every year. She doesn't know that, and would be ****ed to find out.
Andhow do you figure I make more than I need to live? Everything is
relative. She makes around $50k, hence the small amount she is required
to pay.
I love children. Their innocence, desire to learn, willingness to take
chances, and most of all their ability to give unconditional love with
no strings attached. The latter is something I do not wish to lose with
age. Maybe that is why I am here at this gruop.. Not all parents make
the money I do, but love their kids just as much. The unfortunate ones
that get divorced and ordered to pay lose something irreplaceable.
Little things like tucking the kids into bed, kisses goodnight, helping
with small mundane things... But I hear absolutely no bitchin about
those losses here. Only the ones from the pocketbook. Not only that, but
I hear scheming on how to schruck their most important responsibility.
In my first marriage I lost those things and it hurt. That is one reason
I said it felt good to pay. Paying did not replace those things, but I
slept better knowing I was doing the right thing. The ex and kids both
appreciated it. It allowed the stigma of divorce to be a little less
stressful on the girls.
How is it that people are financially oppressed because of child
support? If they were still a family unit wouldn't they still be paying
for their children's upkeep? Every last penny if need be. I think a big
part is the loss of that pussy or penis and jealousy that someone is
getting it instead. Why is it that they become suddenly oppressed
because of child support, which in reality they have been paying since
the children were conceived? Money wasn't the driving force that made
conception possible. It was love (or lust).
I guess it comes down to what you can live with. People want to screw
their children out of their wants and needs there is litttle I can do
about it. I WILL NOT stop, however, being a proponent for kids. If one
deadbeat changes their ways then it will be worth the time and energy
spent. If you want any further guidance please do not hesitate to ask.
Bill

Perhaps he can ask his lawyer how he can teach his future ex. responsibility
by making her contribute money that he doesn't need into his wallet which he
can then donate to charity. Meanwhile his future ex. can sit and watch a
black and white tv without cable cause there is no money to entertain JR.
when he is with her.

Yep, I love my children and I buy them sheets for their beds. When the
children are with there mother they don't have anything to do and they eat
hot dogs and sleep on Ikea cardboard. Thier mother doesn't have much money.
I take what I can from her so that when my children are with her, they have
nothing to do and prefer the quality of life that I can offer. This also
teaches her ( my old "pussy")responsibility. Afterall, isn't it my
responsibility to teach my ex.?

Who is whacked?
I should take my own advice.


"William Barger" wrote in message
...
You are comparing apples to oranges. What do relationships have to do
with insurance, etc. Your decision to live together gives you little
room to wrangle in court anyway. There is something to be said for
spontaneity. You are planning this like a vacation. A rather bad one to
boot. But take Screwed Up's advice and ignore Mr. Barger!