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"toto" wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:38:34 GMT, Nan wrote: However, I was addressing her issue with showing a belly, or wearing a mini skirt. That's a pretty far cry from violent images or a nudist, doncha think? Yes, it is. OTOH, a miniskirt would be pretty hard to work on the floor in, imo. And, given the pressure on little girls to be sexual at an early age, I don't think it is a good idea for their role models to be dressing this way for *playing* with them. It's hard enough to get kids to dress appropriately nowadays without adding teachers who dress in provocative ways at their preschools. It's quite possible the "miniskirts" were skorts. Many, many things that look like miniskirts these days have shorts attached underneath. I'm guessing the OP was not aware of this trend, as she mentioned "slips" which I haven't seen as everyday lingerie in decades, so she may not have noticed. |
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Sue wrote:
"bizby40" wrote in message news:q- Thank you Ericka -- I was feeling a bit alone. :-) Don't feel alone, I agree with your post and Ericka's post. There is a certain degree of modesty I expect of those people caring for my children and I would be uncomfortable if my personal line was crossed. More importantly, though, I don't think you even have to revert to much of a morality argument here. It's a job requirement to get down on the floor and play with the kids. If you can't do that in what you're wearing, it doesn't really matter whether someone finds it too revealing. I.e., if it were just about a neckline that was too low or something like that, it might be a somewhat different issue. I know that clothing most would consider somewhat risqué also would not be allowed at our preschool, as staff are expected to dress comfortably and casually, but professionally, but clothing that isn't suitable to performing primary job tasks isn't even a close call. Best wishes, Ericka |
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On 17 Jun 2005 22:13:50 -0700, "Mary"
wrote: Why such over analysis of my post? First of all, summer does not start on a special day in just Ohio. It starts the same day in all of the Northern Hemisphere. Most colleges have started their summer breaks. These girls are working their summer jobs. Shall we call it a spring break or a spring job just because it is not summer yet? @@ These college-aged girls are not teachers, as they are not certified or degreed. I think a more proper term for them would be teacher's aides. Yes I made note of what they were wearing. If it did not make an impression on me, I would not be posting about it. Belly button shirts, and tongue studs are unprofessional, and inappropriate. The tongue studs can interfere with annunciation, and these teachers need to role model proper speech patterns. My twenty six year old has had a tongue piercing for years. I can assure you, absolutely that it does not in any way affect her eunication (sp). She has been working in preschools since she was fifteen. Her speech patterns are just fine. I would not approve necessarily of pants so low you could see the crack if you well, but other than that, no, I dont object to low rider pants. I also do not object to belly button peircing. Teachers dress casually in many preschool and daycare situations. I generally wore leggings and a short shirt. Personally, I would be more concerned with long flowing clothing, long nails or o ther safety issues. Barb I know my daughters' previous teachers had tattoos because they showed my daughters their tattoos when the subject of my tattoo was brought up. I hardly see how this post can be considered trolling, as I did not post in a body art newsgroup. The subject matter is not controversial. |
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On 18 Jun 2005 10:09:19 -0700, "shinypenny"
wrote: dragonlady wrote: I wouldn't allow anything but ear piercing. However, both of my daughters got their toungues pierced as soon as they could approve it themselves (and, I might add, pay for it.) For the first couple of days I asked them to not talk to me, because I was thoroughly grossed out. However, once the initial swelling goes down, the toungue piercing does not create problems with enunciation. (I STILL don't like it, and it DOES cause problems for dental health, but their speech is not affected.) (And they've both gotten jobs where they don't have to remove the tongue studs at work -- though they both have enough brains to have removed them when they went in for job interviews.) You know, I consider myself as being fairly open minded about things like tattoos and body piercings. I even secretly feel that my DD12 would look smashing with a tiny eyebrow stud (she's got beautiful eyes). I also understand that such fashions can be a cultural and self-expression thing. And I don't consider myself a prude either. But the tongue piercing thing bothers me to no end! If my DD's came home with one, I'd be seriously worried. Because, to my knowledge, the tongue piercing is not meant for fashion. It's meant as an aid for performing oral sex. From what I gather, those that wear it outside the bedroom, are conveying their interest and skill in this activity. Huh??????/// Sorry, but your experiences in this area must be much different than mine. I know lots of kids who have them, just because they like them. and no, it doesnt mean "hey boys come on" certainly not where i am. barb Now, if a person finds a tongue stud useful in their private sexual practices, that's no sweat off my brow - enjoy. But to wear it outside of the bedroom and walk around in public? Uh uh. I'd be questioning whether my DD's had any self esteem, and whether they were getting involved in questionable sexual activities that would further erode that self esteem, and possibly put their health and lives in danger. Or, maybe they were innocently unaware about what the stud meant, in which case, I'd educate them. Am I being too melodramatic here? Am I missing something? And, most importantly, am I doomed to have my girls get tongue studs because it's the one thing that would accomplish shock value for me? :-) jen |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote: There is a continuum from nudity to full artic gear. Everyone draws the line at what is acceptable at a different place. The OP felt these girls were dressed too revealingly. You'd draw the line at a different place. Fine. But when you said (of your own DCPs) "they're great with all the kids, and that is what I feel is important, not how they're dressed." I took that as a rather insulting statement. As if the OP should be ashamed to have focused on something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress was more important. The OP made no mention of the kind of job these gals were doing, whether her kids liked them, and so on and so forth. So that leaves us assuming that they are doing a good job, and her kids like them. Unless my provider were half nude, or wearing slogans that include swearing, I would be more interested in the kind of care that she provided to the kids My kids have over the years had teachers who dressed the style you are talking about, goth, preppy, and one who was an elizabethan fan who wore all those period clothing. I also had one that I never saw out of jeans. This doesnt even begin to discuss their hair styles or whatever. As long as they were caring with my kids, had a good relationship, and got the educational message across, that is all I care about . If the OP is as concerned about teh kind of dress she is describing, then she probably wants to move to a place more in line with her views. barb Bizby |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:22:45 -0400, Ericka Kammerer
wrote: Mary wrote: Have any of you faced a teacher, preschool or otherwise that dressed inappropriately? Recently, I experienced a situation with "teachers" (they were actually college students doing a summer intern-job) that wore low ride, cotton, white, mini skirts, with no slips (do people still wear slips?). One has a tongue stud. Both wore shirts with their belly buttons exposed. It is a delicate situation in that I am related to the owner. I did say something to the owner, but then let the subject die. I can say that husband is eager to drive my daughters to the school! In a previous preschool, the teachers had tattoos, but they covered them up. I have a tattoo as well, but if I was in a professional situation, I would cover it up. Hmm...I'm a little surprised by the responses. I sit on the board of a preschool. From my perspective, the tongue piercing is not an issue, as long as it's not being fiddled with all the time. However, while we do not have a detailed dress code, it doesn't particularly sound like the above described attire would be acceptable at our school. We expect the teachers to be in clothes that they can get down on the floor with the kids, or run and play with the kids. I don't really see how a mini skirt fits that bill (as I imagine they're not wearing bloomers ;-) Even college students helping out in the school would be expected to show up dressed appropriately--clean, neat, and ready for play. We sometime have teens or college age folks helping out a bit, and their dress does tend to be a bit less conservative than the older women (which is fine), but if you can't sit cross-legged on the floor or reach your arms over your head without exposing something you shouldn't, I think our Director would suggest a change of clothing would be in order. I bet that the mini skirts were probably shorts or culottes, after reading the post. And while i agree with some of your post...I wear leggings and cut of shirts and yes, I can still get down on the ground, raise my hands overmy head and function. Barb Best wishes, Ericka |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:32:22 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote: "Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message ... Hmm...I'm a little surprised by the responses. I sit on the board of a preschool. [snip] if you can't sit cross-legged on the floor or reach your arms over your head without exposing something you shouldn't, I think our Director would suggest a change of clothing would be in order. Best wishes, Ericka Thank you Ericka -- I was feeling a bit alone. :-) But the OPs objection was to the style, not to the function. And wearing a shirt short enough to show a belly button does NOT mean that when you stretch your hands up, you automatically show everything. Goodness, if it did, I would be in trouble, as I dress on the "liberal side" I guess. And I'm an old woman. bArb Bizby |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote: There is a continuum from nudity to full artic gear. Everyone draws the line at what is acceptable at a different place. The OP felt these girls were dressed too revealingly. You'd draw the line at a different place. Fine. But when you said (of your own DCPs) "they're great with all the kids, and that is what I feel is important, not how they're dressed." I took that as a rather insulting statement. As if the OP should be ashamed to have focused on something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress was more important. You insult too easily, then. Because *I* pay more attention to the standard of care, not how someone is dressed. If the OP is unhappy with the standard of care, she's not mentioning it. If the clothing is her only gripe, I do feel that is trivial in the Big Picture, considering the "teachers" aren't performing ritual sacrifices naked. Nan |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:15:23 -0400, Ericka Kammerer
wrote: More importantly, though, I don't think you even have to revert to much of a morality argument here. It's a job requirement to get down on the floor and play with the kids. If you can't do that in what you're wearing, it doesn't really matter whether someone finds it too revealing. I.e., if it were just about a neckline that was too low or something like that, it might be a somewhat different issue. I know that clothing most would consider somewhat risqué also would not be allowed at our preschool, as staff are expected to dress comfortably and casually, but professionally, but clothing that isn't suitable to performing primary job tasks isn't even a close call. Well, I agree that clothing suited to physical requirements is a Good Thing. However, I have to laugh at the number of posts saying part of the job *requirement* is to get on the floor and play. AFAIK, it's not a requirement of DD5s preschool teachers *or* the Stay and Play staff. They *might* decide to crawl around and play outside, but it certainly isn't "required", and I don't think I ever saw any of the teachers or DC gals doing so. Nan |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:01:54 GMT, "Cathy Kearns"
wrote: It's quite possible the "miniskirts" were skorts. Many, many things that look like miniskirts these days have shorts attached underneath. I'm guessing the OP was not aware of this trend, as she mentioned "slips" which I haven't seen as everyday lingerie in decades, so she may not have noticed. Probably true. Certainly skorts would make sense and many of the teacher aides in daycares do where shorts or skorts in hot weather. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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