Inappropriate Teacher's Dress

"bizby40" wrote in message
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"-L." wrote in message
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bizby40 wrote:
No, I just already had black ones.

Then I would have really had told the guy to go fly a kite. What about
kids who can't afford new grey pants? Are they just shunned off the
team?

Where were you when we were having the original discussion?
I could have used someone on my side then! Everyone kept
telling me that baseball pants are cheap, I should do what the
coach wants, black pants are too hot, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I may have forgotten, but I thought the general response was to the
effect that the question was were you willing to have your child die
on your sword so to speak. In other words, were you willing to make
him pay the price of your standareds.

On some occasions we need to do that. On some occasions, for the sake
of the child we need to go with the flow.

But that was a different discussion.


This is what is so backassward about this whole conversation. What makes his
weird bias against black pants more important than you frugal nature?

Oh, well.

Bizby

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:01:22 -0400, "Stephanie"
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"-L." wrote in message
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bizby40 wrote:

Where were you when we were having the original discussion?
I could have used someone on my side then! Everyone kept
telling me that baseball pants are cheap, I should do what the
coach wants, black pants are too hot, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Oh, well.

Bizby

LOL...guess I should read more often.


That's funny. This thread, and it's causing me to continue to shake my head
about the state of humaninty, makes me want to read LESS.


I knew I was out of tune with much of middle america, I just didnt
know how much.

Sigh.

Barb
-L.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:35:03 GMT, "Donna"
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"Penny Gaines" wrote in message
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Donna wrote:


Ah, that explains it: over here tie-dye is fashionable at the moment,
and one of my smarter t-shirts is tie-dyed (but not in circles).


Two questions: Tie dye is fashionable again? (I suppose that it should
be hopping the pond in a year or two, then.) I was pregnant or nursing
from early 2002 until February, so I missed a good three years of
fashion.
And why not in circles?

Yep, it's in fashion, as is dip-dyed clothes, where the colour is deeper
at either the hem of the top of the garment, and gets less-deep towards
the other end.

I really meant my t-shirt is not dyed in circles, but most tie-dyed
clothes have more of a line effect - I suppose they tend to dye the
material and then make up the clothes, rather then individuals
cusomising already made clothes.

If you want to have a look at some British tie-dyed fashion, you could
seach for tie-dye (or dip-dye) he www.next.co.uk


Interesting. Since I read your post (yesterday? The day before? I can't
remember.), I've been keeping an eye out for something that might be
considered "smart tie dye", and just never saw anything. Since you posted
the link, I realize you're talking about the gradiated shadings which I
would never have considered as tie-dye, ever. Are dip dying and tie-dying
the same process? Tie-dye is, I thought, only the classic knotted
oversized hanes-ish t-shirt dipped in a vat of dye (and then paired with
denim cut offs and worn to shreds to grateful dead concerts, frat parties
and ski weekends). That kind of shirt, I would imagine most of us would
agree, is not a shirt one would put on to meet with one's kids teachers.
FWIW, I agree with you that the dip dye shirts in the "smart casual" link
are very pretty, and very appropriate to what we are discussing.

I have store bought tye dye shirts that are not oversized. I also have
a tye dye jumper that I made myself. Both would be appropriate to
wear anywear and I know the shirt was bought at Jc Penneys a couple
years ago. (actually this is the shirt that barely reaches the wast.

Barb





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Penny Gaines
UK mum to three

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:06:43 GMT, "Donna"
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"Caledonia" wrote in message
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Ok, go to www.next.co.uk, click on Womens, then Smart Casual, then
Pretty
Pinks, and you'll see an absolutely gorgeous dip dye (I just can't think
of
it as tie dye -- it's obvious not enough beer has been spilled on it)
tank
and v-neck shirt.

HTH

Donna

Oh, *now* I get it. I was thinking of something like this:
http://www.sunshinejoy.com/ (click tie dye). You know, the kind of
thing you'd wear to a New Year's Show while 'Space' was transitioning
to 'Fire on the Mountain.' Oops.

Oh dear, was that you in the planetarium that night? grin

Clearly we're from something approaching the same era. What you give as an
example is what "tie-dye" instinctively means to me, too. Obvously I
wouldn't consider that appropriate for an important meeting, much less an
educational one, for sloppiness and for the subtle drug associations it has
for many of us. The concept of "smart tie dye" is entirely new to me.
waves to Penny Gaines Pretty isn't it?

Woaaaaaaaaa. I graduated from high school in sixty nine, have been
there and done that. Tye die has drug associations??

I am totally out of sinc with the majority here, somehow.



Donna

Barbara Bomberger wrote:


I may have forgotten, but I thought the general response was to the
effect that the question was were you willing to have your child die
on your sword so to speak. In other words, were you willing to make
him pay the price of your standareds.

On some occasions we need to do that. On some occasions, for the sake
of the child we need to go with the flow.

But that was a different discussion.

How so? I think she's correct in thinking that it's
quite parallel. It boiled down to perceptions regarding
someone's willingness to comply with expectations. The
general response was that she had a right to fall on that
sword, but that in doing so, she would give an impression
that might have repercussions for the child that weren't
worth the price. I don't see the distinction.

Best wishes,
Ericka

"Barbara Bomberger" wrote in message
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No, you said community standars. But you dont know what the standards
are in "l"s community. So why the immediate off the cuff response of
"Why could you not take the five minutes to change?'. Are you assuming
that your community standards are hers? Perhaps she couldnt be
bothered to change because she felt appropriately dressed.


As I wrote above:
Neat shorts and a neat t-shirt, modest, societally appropriate dress, is
what I am arguing for. Where I live, neat t-shirts, neat jeans, neat,
modest casual clothing would be very acceptable, as it's in the community
norms. Where I live, tie-die would be considered a bit sloppy, and
immodest attire (bare bellies, bare thighs, plunging necklines) would be
considered inappropriate. If your teachers are dressed in neat shorts,
neat t-shirts, then yes, that's appropriate. However, I wouldn't
consider a tie-dye t-shirt to be either necessarily neat or appropriate
for a parent teacher conference.

Donna

"Barbara Bomberger" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:06:43 GMT, "Donna"


Woaaaaaaaaa. I graduated from high school in sixty nine, have been
there and done that. Tye die has drug associations??

I am totally out of sinc with the majority here, somehow.

On that issue, I haven't any idea whether you're in the majority or not.
As far as the associations let-call-it-'Classic Tie Dye' has, I'm speaking
for myself.



Donna

Ericka Kammerer wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ericka Kammerer wrote:

But are you trying to claim that the situation is
no different whether the perceived-to-be-sexy teacher is
choosing to heighten that sexiness with suggestive clothing
or whether the preceived-to-be sexy teacher is dressed
in what would meet most school dress codes (which seem
to fall into the business casual category, as far as
I can tell)?

I was objecting to the part you cut in which Kim said

Ew. I believe that teachers should not dress to flaut their sexuality
and should avoid being seen as "sexy teachers."

and P. Tierney answered
I speak from past experience as a high school *student*.
And though it was a glib remark, I will say that it's a reality
that some high school boys (and girls, probably) will notice
these things about their teachers, whether they flaunt it ot not.

Your (Erika's) answer above begs the question when you say that a
teacher who follows school dress codes would make a difference in
whether they were perceived as sexy. It might make a quantitative
difference, but it would not prevent some of the students from
thinking that they were sexy even if they didn't 'flaunt it'.

One persons's flaunting it is another person's well fitting
appropriate clothing.

I think that it is unfair to put the onus on someone to conceal their
body so that no one thinks it is sexy. IMHO that's just one step up
from justifying rape because of the way someone is dressed.

Why should someone have to dress in unbecoming, concealing clothing in
order to be appropriate for teaching? Answer: They shouldn't.

Never said they should, or even implied that.

So it wasn't you, it was Kim that said that, and you seemed to be
giving her opinion your seal of approval.

So if a person is dressed in appropriate clothing that meets school
codes, and still is seen as sexy that person shouldn't have to make
any further adjustments in order to be seen as not-sexy.

Where do we disagree? I asked above if, given the stance
that clothing does not send messages and that folks should be able
to wear whatever they want without anyone making any judgements
about them, if there is any difference between a sexy teacher
who wears what is generally considered appropriate attire for
a teacher (which appears to be what I'd call "business casual"
in most cases, though some schools require more formal dress)
and a sexy teacher who chooses to wear something suggestive
(e.g., short, tight skirts, plunging necklines, lots of bare
skin, etc.)? Are you saying there is no difference? No one
should have any issue for this teacher to dress this way?
All teenaged boys will be thinking about sex all the time anyway,
so might as well come and teach in something slinky because it
won't make any difference? Is that the argument anyone wants
to make? Or are we only arguing about *where* to draw the line,
not whether a line exists?

Where we disagree (or more perhaps Kim and me disagree) is that I
think some teachers can be and will be considered sexy WITHOUT wearing
plunging necklines etc. whereas others will not be considered sexy
even if they wear skirts that are a bit to small or short.




grandma Rosalie

"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
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Barbara Bomberger wrote:


I may have forgotten, but I thought the general response was to the
effect that the question was were you willing to have your child die
on your sword so to speak. In other words, were you willing to make
him pay the price of your standareds.

On some occasions we need to do that. On some occasions, for the sake
of the child we need to go with the flow.

But that was a different discussion.

How so? I think she's correct in thinking that it's
quite parallel. It boiled down to perceptions regarding
someone's willingness to comply with expectations. The
general response was that she had a right to fall on that
sword, but that in doing so, she would give an impression
that might have repercussions for the child that weren't
worth the price. I don't see the distinction.

Well, I don't really think it's the same. You've been
arguing community standards, and I agree with you.
In this case though, it was one person with a rather
silly standard that he made up himself.

I was annoyed at the time, but never really considered
going against his wishes. I only posted here to see
if anyone else had ever heard of black baseball
pants being referred to as softball pants.

Bizby

Best wishes,
Ericka

On 25 Jun 2005 08:20:46 -0700, "-L." wrote:

I'm glad it worked out for you - I would have run for the hills the
minute the pants color issue arose. In fact, it makes me shudder
thinking about it.

Yet you are saying that others whose judgement is that wearing
certain clothing in specific situations is inappropriate are being
bigots by not seeing past the clothing choice? You cannot see
that this young man was simply stating something that he had
apparently learned in his own younger days about baseball pants
vs softball pants?


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