A Plant's Motivation?

(LaVonne Carlson)
I must agree with Kane. Hitler had the right idea. Parents have no
rights! Children belong to the state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LaVonne I. Carlson

Is it a fake LaVonne or was that just too hot to post from a U account?

My email is incorrect in this post as is my signature. Please be aware,
fellow posters. My legitimate email account has been hit with thousands of
virus warning messages per day -- which thanks to abuse reporting -- has
dwindled considerably.

LaVonne

LaVonne Carlson wrote:


Yah know, Greegor the Whore, I was going to save the eyes of the
reader and snip all this, but just couldn't destroy your masterpiece.

It is a fitting bookend to the other missive that Dan thoughfully
reposted for you and your admirerers.

But I notice that it really doesn't address the strange content of the
first document.

Truly a monumental smoke induced ramble, one might imagine.

Did you have fun?

Is your head feeling better now that you've taken out the garbage bags
of propaganda you had stored there?

We certainly hope so.

R R R R R

bingo bango bongo. .

Stoneman

I must agree with Kane. Hitler had the right idea. Parents have no
rights! Children belong to the state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LaVonne I. Carlson

It was a fake, Greg. I do not post from the email account specified nor
do I sign my name in the way it was signed. Because of hacking that has
been going on with my account, the post with the appropriate attributes
has been sent to my net administrators at the U.

LaVonne

Greg Hanson wrote:

(LaVonne Carlson)
I must agree with Kane. Hitler had the right idea. Parents have no
rights! Children belong to the state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LaVonne I. Carlson

Is it a fake LaVonne or was that just too hot to post from a U account?

LaVonne Carlson wrote:
My email is incorrect in this post as is my signature. Please be
aware, fellow posters. My legitimate email account has been hit with
thousands of virus warning messages per day -- which thanks to abuse
reporting -- has dwindled considerably.

LaVonne

LaVonne, The virus is generated to addies trawled from newsgroups, As I
have mentioned before, one should never post to newsgroups from a
private email address.
The addy I use for newsgroups is attracting over 200 infected posts
daily.....my private one attracts nil.

kev

Didn't you read this, LaVonne?
Maybe you should ask "never spanked boy" Kane.
You are on swearin..er talking terms with him aren't you?
Why did you post this attached to my name?

From: Greg Hanson )
Subject: Denial of Service and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Date: 2003-09-10 20:19:24 PST

Somebody has been sending e-mail viral attacks repeatedly to
select e-mail addresses skimmed from this newsgroup.
One a day was not a problem. Got several today.

The most common form has a 200+K attachment that gives it away.
Another viral e-mail is much shorter.
Who else in this newsgroup is receiving these little gems?

I am making this public in the belief that Kane is not
really THIS dumb, and somebody else is trying to frame him.
The idea that it IS Kane is just a bit too easy to be true.
Is a correct e-mail address for you Kane?
Did I underline the right telnet or DNS address for the sender?
I understand that this address can't easily be forged.

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From: Fern5827 ) Subject: Denial of Service and
viral attacks

Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-11
10:02:12 PST

.....Hmmmmm......thanks for the heads up, Greg.

From: JustMel ) Subject: Denial of Service
and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-11
13:47:14 PST

hummm, That showed up here this afternoon. it didn't get through
either.

From: Ron ) Subject: Denial of
Service and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-11
18:59:41 PST

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
Somebody has been sending e-mail viral attacks repeatedly to
select e-mail addresses skimmed from this newsgroup.
One a day was not a problem. Got several today.

The most common form has a 200+K attachment that gives it away.
Another viral e-mail is much shorter.
Who else in this newsgroup is receiving these little gems?

I am making this public in the belief that Kane is not
really THIS dumb, and somebody else is trying to frame him.
The idea that it IS Kane is just a bit too easy to be true.
Is a correct e-mail address for you Kane?
Did I underline the right telnet or DNS address for the sender?
I understand that this address can't easily be forged.

I am. But then again I use a public email address such as Netscape
and they
pre-screen all email coming into their systems. Add to that the fact
that I
have a very good virus program and more than one firewall inline on my
system and I don't give these things much thought. At least not until
one
of my overwatch programs let me know there is a problem. They have
not done
so for more than 2 months now, and about every 2 months on the
average.

Spend a little money greg and get McAfee's Virus Scanner/Firewall set.
About $40.00 a year or so.

I don't really give a dam about out differences when it comes to this
issue,
as far as I am concerned as are on the same side on this.

Ron

http://us.mcafee.com/


From: AdoptaDad ) Subject: Denial of Service
and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-13
07:24:35 PST

Subject: Denial of Service and viral attacks
From: (Greg Hanson)
Date: 9/10/03 11:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Somebody has been sending e-mail viral attacks repeatedly to
select e-mail addresses skimmed from this newsgroup.
One a day was not a problem. Got several today.

The most common form has a 200+K attachment that gives it away.
Another viral e-mail is much shorter.

If you don't know the sender, don't open the attachment - no
matter what
the size. Period.

Why anyone would even *open* unsolicited email from an unknown
sender is a
mystery to me. Got a lot of time on your hands, Greg?

Who else in this newsgroup is receiving these little gems?

Not I.

I am making this public in the belief that Kane is not
really THIS dumb,

Kane may be many things. Dumb is not one of them.

and somebody else is trying to frame him.

Or cast aspersions his direction.

The idea that it IS Kane is just a bit too easy to be true.

And yet you keep bringing it up. Why is that? Just whom do you
think you're
kidding?

rest snipped

Dad

From: Greg Hanson ) Subject: Denial of
Service and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-14
17:27:41 PST

adoptadad
And yet you keep bringing it up. Why is that?
Just whom do you think you're kidding?

I sent one post. Where do you get this "keep bringing it up"??

I expressed suspicion it was a frame up.
What did I do wrong?

Ron is the only one of you pro-CPS folks to
see beyond the mindless vilification mindset?
I saw BEYOND battle lines and so did Ron.
That is the ethical thing to do in this situation.

Isn't it?

From: Kane )
Subject: Denial of Service and viral attacks
View: Complete Thread (10 articles)
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Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Date: 2003-09-14 18:07:13 PST


On 14 Sep 2003 17:27:40 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

adoptadad
And yet you keep bringing it up. Why is that?
Just whom do you think you're kidding?

I sent one post. Where do you get this "keep bringing it up"??

Gosh, maybe from three mentions of my name, maybe.

"I am making this public in the belief that Kane is not really THIS
dumb"

"The idea that it IS Kane is just a bit too easy to be true."

"Is a correct e-mail address for you Kane?"

Plus this request that I defend myself as not being the sender framed
as asking if it's MY correct address.

Like you were just doing Internet abuse research...yahsure, youbetcha.

I expressed suspicion it was a frame up.

If I ask you three times what your intention was in giving a little
girl not related to you towelboy services and punishment in the form
of showers and pushing her under the shower to "get the shampoo" out
of her hair, do you not think it obvious the point I am making?

What did I do wrong?

Nothing this time. It's your hapless impotent attempt we are
discussing.

You might conclude though, using the same logic you used in posting my
name three times within the notice of a virus attack, that this poster
you respond to does not like or trust you.

Just a guess, of course.

Ron is the only one of you pro-CPS folks to
see beyond the mindless vilification mindset?

Naw, Ron vilifies you quite nicely. Can't say it's mindless though, as
all of us who are hartily sick of your self indulgence at the expense
of a child, can say we have put our minds to our exposure of you.

I saw BEYOND battle lines and so did Ron.

Oh, I don't think it escaped Ron that you mentioned me three times and
in addition posted a virus originating addy that had my name as part
of itself.

He just didn't bring it up, being as virii are serious business.

Of all the viruses out there you seemed to want to focus on this
particular one. Why is that?

As a matter of fact why is it that you focused on getting a child nude
and into a shower as a punishement while you stood by as towelboy?

She could have taken a shower, not cold, not as a punishment, to clean
up the urine from her wetting herself and THEN you could have chosen a
punishment (stupid vicious little **** that you are to punish a child
for wetting themselves) that didn't include her getting naked for you.

That is the ethical thing to do in this situation.

Odd. Just like the little girl and the naked punishment you could have
chose another response. Like simply doing a search, they are so very
easy, on the name and seeing it's a notorious MP3 download group
member name.

That would have given you the clue that it wasn't me. And to claim I
am too smart to use my own name in a virus attack source addy just
makes it clear that you don't believe that or you wish others to
believe something about me that is less then friendly.

Now why, pray tell, didn't you check out ALL the Kanes on the web?
There are droves of them.

Do you really think we believe that virus attacks weren't happening
until this addy hit your inbox? Puuuulezzzzzzzzz. I get half a dozen a
week.

I think one of them had an addy with your name inbedded. Notice I
didn't come here to ask you? What would be the point unless I secretly
either believed your were guilty or wanted others to think so. I knew
it wasn't you. You are too gutless for even that remote an attack on
someone. You attack little girls and their needy mothers.

Do you now understand the reason for the posters point?

You kept bringing it up.

Isn't it?

Sure, but your motives are questionable, as always.

I begin to think you have an argument for the same exuse used in
criminal trials...mental incompetence.

It is possible, barely, that you are completely unaware of how you
present here and how it makes it clear to the rest of us that you are
what we accuse you of.

And we tend NOT to play little cute games but to simply ask you to
explain yourself, and we give our opinion of you.

When are you going to catch on? We tend to believe you are a
thoroughgoing pervert by your own inadvertant admission by not by
honest confession.

It's your own words that lead us to the speculation.

I'd love to see you in court answering a few questions. Any chance we
could get you there? By the way, one thing you can count on, when CPS
doesn't claim any sexual abuse interests in a case like yours they are
keeping their cards face down, not telling you you aren't under
suspicion.

"Yes, I did make the six year old daughter of my "fiance" take a
shower with me standing by as towelboy, and did so a number of times."
"No, she was not incompetent, in fact rather bright and yes she could
have gotten her own towel or I could have had the foresight to leave
one in the bathroom for her." "Ahhh...I forgot, yeah that's it, I
forgot."

"Why no, I had no prurient interest in her. I just like to hang around
and discipline six year old girls with cold showers." "Really, no
sexual intent, honest, none at all, really."

So you see, dipwad, we aren't hinting or making some sly references.
We are telling you you'd better grow up quick. You did everything but
french kiss that kid.

And we don't know you didn't, and from your own splendid renditions it
looked like a wet dream for you.

Methinks thee dost protest too much, me boy.

Wherever is grandpa when he was needed....oh, wait. He did in fact
come to the rescue. Thank him for me, heartfelt of you will, please.
There's a good lad.

How's that jaw? Wake you up a night sometime? Are you going to be able
to predict the weather with it? I deeply hope so. For life.

I would not want to be you at the end of our life.

Unless you grow up and square this with the child, her mother, and the
family court, and you might throw in an apology to CPS.

At worst you were a perv. At the least, stupid as your Locust Post
friend. So tell us, which is it?

I hate to break the spell of this lovely exchange with you, but you
haven't responded to my challenges to defend your positions with a
bet, nor have you replied to my challenge of your claim that someone
with a Honeypot set on their system could be sued by the intruder that
takes the incorrect information.

Any chance you are going to respond, chicken{e.d.]? To anything?

Kane

From: Greg Hanson ) Subject: Denial of
Service and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-15
06:39:42 PST

Remember this the next time you want to accuse
anti-CPS people of being rabid in their beliefs.
Post a follow-up to this message

From: Greg Hanson ) Subject: Denial of
Service and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-16
06:45:28 PST

Another one. Are you SURE the DNS numbers are forged?
DNS numbers seem to be tripping up bulk SPAM senders.

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From: Kane ) Subject: Denial of
Service and viral attacks
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services Date: 2003-09-16
13:09:55 PST

On 16 Sep 2003 06:45:26 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Gheez, I'd a thought you had enough time on your hands to study up on
this.

Google anonymous remailers and how they shove the packets along from
one node to the next, each time replacing the DNS numbers with their
own, thus layering concealment of the origin DNS.

It's not rocket science and it's paid for but some places in Europe
(and I'd bet in Asia) offer services that claim they "lose" all the
orginating header info so they can't be subpoened.. They lie, of
course, in some places, because a Finnish (I think it was) outfit got
shut down for trying to refuse a warrant.

Nevertheless that's the routine. Forward replace, forward replace.

So the last header isn't forged. It's perfectly real but you won't
find the orginator by looking at it.

Now, and for the not terminally stuck to the couch, sometimes the
really stupid virus jockey sends out a virus without adequate
concealment, or without knowing that some in the IP community are
friends of folks and will help them out if victimized. r r r r r r.

I've done my share of phone and email contact to friends who are IP
admins.

Note the source is now munged from a something or other kane to a
gka-laura. I'd bet they are using a addy randomising routine, probably
in the Microsoft Basic, to do that. It's a simple routine you can pick
up anywhere on the net.

Another one. Are you SURE the DNS numbers are forged?
DNS numbers seem to be tripping up bulk SPAM senders.
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Again, this ploy, the Microsoft special notice, is growing a beard.
Pretty much no one falls for it now.

My archive machine not physically or electronically connected to my
Internet server has about 6 bugbears, and 12 various common
virus/worm/trojans and a dead as a doornail nicely pin mounted LovSan.
I like to dissect these for my amusement, and all in just 48 hours.

You ain't nothin' special.

Relax. Let your virus checker do its work. Notice you aren't getting a
huge reponse from the ng other than a breathless "thank you for the
heads up Greg" from The Plant?

What's up with you these days?

Run out of little girls to give showers to, or kids to spank?

Kane