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CS related licene suspension question...
I was wondering about this the other day...
What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? ------------------------------------------------------------ Eliminate the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. ---- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle --- |
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CS related licene suspension question...
Dusty wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. -- Always borrow money from a pessimist, he doesn't expect to be paid back. ~Author Unknown |
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CS related licene suspension question...
Dusty wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. -- Always borrow money from a pessimist, he doesn't expect to be paid back. ~Author Unknown |
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CS related licene suspension question...
Dusty wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. -- Always borrow money from a pessimist, he doesn't expect to be paid back. ~Author Unknown |
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CS related licene suspension question...
Dusty wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. -- Always borrow money from a pessimist, he doesn't expect to be paid back. ~Author Unknown |
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CS related licene suspension question...
"The DaveŠ" wrote in message ... Dusty wrote: I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. Yes, I agree. I'd keep driving too. But what to do when they arrest you... In that sort of scenario, I'm thinking that Mexico (or even farther south) would be a good place to go... but I digress.. The very idea of making things so difficult for NCPs that to they even contemplate heading south of the boarder is obscene in and of itself. To make the payment of CS so very difficult for those that can barely (and by this I mean those that the courts have driven from their children's lives by incredible CS amounts) keep a roof over their heads is in-your-face insanity. What where these idiots in the legislator thinking when they passed these insane laws such-as depriving someone the ability of getting to work on their own??? It just makes absolutely no sense at all. But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... |
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CS related licene suspension question...
"The DaveŠ" wrote in message ... Dusty wrote: I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. Yes, I agree. I'd keep driving too. But what to do when they arrest you... In that sort of scenario, I'm thinking that Mexico (or even farther south) would be a good place to go... but I digress.. The very idea of making things so difficult for NCPs that to they even contemplate heading south of the boarder is obscene in and of itself. To make the payment of CS so very difficult for those that can barely (and by this I mean those that the courts have driven from their children's lives by incredible CS amounts) keep a roof over their heads is in-your-face insanity. What where these idiots in the legislator thinking when they passed these insane laws such-as depriving someone the ability of getting to work on their own??? It just makes absolutely no sense at all. But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... |
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"The DaveŠ" wrote in message ... Dusty wrote: I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. Yes, I agree. I'd keep driving too. But what to do when they arrest you... In that sort of scenario, I'm thinking that Mexico (or even farther south) would be a good place to go... but I digress.. The very idea of making things so difficult for NCPs that to they even contemplate heading south of the boarder is obscene in and of itself. To make the payment of CS so very difficult for those that can barely (and by this I mean those that the courts have driven from their children's lives by incredible CS amounts) keep a roof over their heads is in-your-face insanity. What where these idiots in the legislator thinking when they passed these insane laws such-as depriving someone the ability of getting to work on their own??? It just makes absolutely no sense at all. But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... |
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CS related licene suspension question...
"The DaveŠ" wrote in message ... Dusty wrote: I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. Yes, I agree. I'd keep driving too. But what to do when they arrest you... In that sort of scenario, I'm thinking that Mexico (or even farther south) would be a good place to go... but I digress.. The very idea of making things so difficult for NCPs that to they even contemplate heading south of the boarder is obscene in and of itself. To make the payment of CS so very difficult for those that can barely (and by this I mean those that the courts have driven from their children's lives by incredible CS amounts) keep a roof over their heads is in-your-face insanity. What where these idiots in the legislator thinking when they passed these insane laws such-as depriving someone the ability of getting to work on their own??? It just makes absolutely no sense at all. But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... |
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"The DaveŠ" wrote in message ... Dusty wrote: I was wondering about this the other day... What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal? It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host of other things. Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do then? The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do? Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real fast. What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the impound lot, do you do? The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are purportedly trying to help. I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they got impounded, but I'd keep driving. Here is the strategy I used. (I had grievances with CSE and they wouldn't back off on enforcement while they rat-holed my complaints.) 1. You ask for a hearing on the DL suspension issues and merits of the case. 2. You object to the administrative hearing continuing based on the DA, who manages your case, not being present. 3. You get a hearing extension and force the DA to attend. 4. After your DL is suspended you keep on driving. 5. You ignore the instructions to turn in your DL to the DMV and continue using it for ID. 6. You drive very carefully. 7. You wait to be called to court to face jail time for non-payment. 8. You go to the indictment hearing and request a full hearing. 9. You go to the full hearing and tell the judge you are willing to set-up a payment plan. 10. You get the judge to order the DA to prepare an order to reinstate your DL. 11. You take the order to the DMV and get your DL reactivated. 12. You smile knowing they didn't lay a glove on you. |
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