LaVonne

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:10:51 -0700, Doan wrote:

On 15 Apr 2004, Kane wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:06:31 -0700, Doan wrote:


LOL! Kane trying hard to distract from his lies!

Just another weasel dodge eh? I didn't lie and you haven't shown I
did.

Another lie!

Post my "lie" again please. I'd like to see if you still have the gall
to lie.

Why don't you just email Alina the study? ;-)

Because she could be you socking up or a friend of yours angling
for
the study for you because you don't have it.

LOL! Is that what your "formidable" research skill produced?

That is my assumption, given that you slipped and called her by the
name of a well known personality connected with your location,
"Aline."

And Alina had only a 20 something previous posting history on USENET
but seemed very comfortable with the particular medium. She could be a
sock.

You still haven't explained why you wanted a self addressed envelope
from her, but no postage. Interesting. Or a dodge.

You've never proven you do have it.

Actually I have! Here is a quote from the study:

A quote is NOT sufficient. I quoted Embry from a magazine article. Are
we to presume NO ONE else has quoted him, like possibly academics
referring to his work?

"The post-survey for parents addressed such other issues as:
helpfulness
of the Program, suggestions for improvement, number of "Safe Play"
stickers used by parent, number of time Safety Chart was used, number
of
times child broke safety rules, how many times the Sit and Watch
PUNISHMENT was applied for rule infractions, and parental estimates
of how often child went into the street."

R R R R .... I love this. Anyone reading the actual chart you provided
would see, plainly, that punishment wasn't working....what a ditz.
Here, let's quote you:

And here is the problems the parents reported with the Sit and
Watch
PUNISHMENT:

1) child wouldn't sit - 51.4%
2) child talked back - 8.6%
3) child cried - 8.6%
4) parent didn't like it 5.7%
5) other children around 5.7%
6) No excuse 5.7%
7) child stubborn 2.9%
8) hard to use it 2.9%
9) parent's lack self-discipline - 2.9%
10) Answer left blank 5.7%

So what is the page number of this chart again? In the study.

Over 50% of the time the children wouldn't even participate in the
"punishment." R R R R R. So much for YOUR nonsense. This was a KEY
item, I'd wager, in Dr. Embry getting it that teaching what IS wanted
is far more powerful than punishment for an unwanted behavior.

As I said formerly, on this and other "proof" you provided, a single
quote, or even a dozen, could be from other sources.

When you provide, as I asked, page numbers, even for those things you
asked ME to prove, then I'll assume you have the study, and not
before.

I asked you for the page number for the beginning of the description
of the demographic sample. A very simple thing to provide. YOU HAVE
NOT.

So, when you ask me again for the number of subjects in the study
group, include the page number. THEN I'll know you aren't lying.

And you are still using this study and discussion of it to avoid
admitting you don't know the answer to The Question.

Which is the central issue.

Why is it you demand that "Aline" R R R R, provide you with a self
addressed envelope? Why is it neither "Aline" or you seem able to
carry off this transmission of material?

Could it be that Alina is me? ;-)

Yes, it could be. Or a friend willing to play your game for you with
me. NO, Droany, I'm not giving the study to a stranger. When I said
anyone I certainly was NOT considering someone NOT in the ng at that
time and certainly NO ONE that would serve it up to you before you
prove you have it.

Those I've given it to have agreed NOT to send it to you. I presume
they are smart enough to see your game and that you are angling for
some clues and the study itself if you can get it through me.

Tough luck, little Droaner....not going to happen.

So tell us, who is mentioned in the study that has the same last name
as someone well known to this ng and on what page does that name
appear in the report?

And why won't you answer that simple question? Or provide page numbers
for the questions you ask me?

By the way, the chart you offerred on the responses to the Sit and
Watch non-compliance by the chidlren to "prove" you had the
study....bogus. Sorry.

It does NOT exist in the street entry study report.

Nice try, Droany but it's becoming patently obvious you are running
a
giant bluff...scam really, and you have nothing as regards the
report.
You desperately want a report though, don't you little boy?


OOps! He caught us, Alina. ;-) I guess I have to contact Dr. Embry
like Kane told me to when I ASKED him for the study.

Yep, sure did. And you certainly can. What has stopped you?

"I invited you before to contact professor Embry. He is available at
Dr. Dennis D. Embry
P.O. PAXIS Institute, 31475, Tucson, AZ 85751
520-299-6770
520-299-6822
"

R R R R R

Doan

Show us the lie, by the way. And Answer The Question....for THAT is
the sole reason The Embry report was brought up by you, to avoid
admitting you don't have the answer to the question I asked. Just
another childish and transparent dodge, little weasel.

Distraction #1.

It is YOUR distraction number one, not mine.

The original opening of the entire thread of diversion started when I
asked you to answer The Question. Instead of answering it successfuly
you went on this and other directions as a diversion from how
miserably you failed.

I'm quite happy to discuss The Question with you. It's YOU that is
runing from you failure by using these distractions.

Admit it coward. You don't have the answer to the question and no
spanking parent has the answer, though they all claim, as you have,
that they and you do.

Distraction #2.

Yes, you haven't answered The Question, nor admitted to failing to do
so.

You choked, then gagged, now you are retching, and that is ALL you
are
doing with your challenges and bull****, instead of simply
answering
or admitting you cannot answer The Question.

Distraction #3.

Which is an admission you haven't and cannot answer The Question and
won't admit it.

Have a wonderful life.

Thanks, Kane0!

Kane0 Kan't!

Doan

You are welcome, Droananator. {:-

Kane

On 16 Apr 2004, Kane wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:10:51 -0700, Doan wrote:

On 15 Apr 2004, Kane wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:06:31 -0700, Doan wrote:


LOL! Kane trying hard to distract from his lies!

Just another weasel dodge eh? I didn't lie and you haven't shown I
did.

Another lie!

Post my "lie" again please. I'd like to see if you still have the gall
to lie.

"Just another weasel dodge eh? I didn't lie and you haven't shown I
did."

You LIED! :-)

Why don't you just email Alina the study? ;-)

Because she could be you socking up or a friend of yours angling
for
the study for you because you don't have it.

LOL! Is that what your "formidable" research skill produced?

That is my assumption, given that you slipped and called her by the
name of a well known personality connected with your location,
"Aline."

LOL! There are also many "Aline" in Colorado
http://ronbrandon.com/lukeminnie/page-x44.htm

And Alina had only a 20 something previous posting history on USENET
but seemed very comfortable with the particular medium. She could be a
sock.

Alina will be happy to hear that! :-)

You still haven't explained why you wanted a self addressed envelope
from her, but no postage. Interesting. Or a dodge.

So I can "scam" you! ;-)

You've never proven you do have it.

Actually I have! Here is a quote from the study:

A quote is NOT sufficient. I quoted Embry from a magazine article. Are
we to presume NO ONE else has quoted him, like possibly academics
referring to his work?

LOL! Then prove it! Show me where my quotes come from. You are grasping
for straws. :-)

"The post-survey for parents addressed such other issues as:
helpfulness
of the Program, suggestions for improvement, number of "Safe Play"
stickers used by parent, number of time Safety Chart was used, number
of
times child broke safety rules, how many times the Sit and Watch
PUNISHMENT was applied for rule infractions, and parental estimates
of how often child went into the street."

R R R R .... I love this. Anyone reading the actual chart you provided
would see, plainly, that punishment wasn't working....what a ditz.
Here, let's quote you:

And you've just shown how STUPID you are! It's not "punishment wasn't
working", it's "problems the parents reported"! Do you have a problem
with English? ;-)

And here is the problems the parents reported with the Sit and
Watch
PUNISHMENT:

1) child wouldn't sit - 51.4%
2) child talked back - 8.6%
3) child cried - 8.6%
4) parent didn't like it 5.7%
5) other children around 5.7%
6) No excuse 5.7%
7) child stubborn 2.9%
8) hard to use it 2.9%
9) parent's lack self-discipline - 2.9%
10) Answer left blank 5.7%

So what is the page number of this chart again? In the study.

Look it up! You said you have the study! :-)

Over 50% of the time the children wouldn't even participate in the
"punishment." R R R R R. So much for YOUR nonsense. This was a KEY
item, I'd wager, in Dr. Embry getting it that teaching what IS wanted
is far more powerful than punishment for an unwanted behavior.

You don't understand English do you??? Where did you get the 50%?
YOU ARE STUPID!

As I said formerly, on this and other "proof" you provided, a single
quote, or even a dozen, could be from other sources.

Then it's you who made the claime; cite the sources. CAN YOU?

When you provide, as I asked, page numbers, even for those things you
asked ME to prove, then I'll assume you have the study, and not
before.

LOL! Do you really I care what you think? ;-)

I asked you for the page number for the beginning of the description
of the demographic sample. A very simple thing to provide. YOU HAVE
NOT.

And I have asked you to provide the sample size. YOU HAVE NOT! :-)

So, when you ask me again for the number of subjects in the study
group, include the page number. THEN I'll know you aren't lying.

And you'd be lying! ;-)

And you are still using this study and discussion of it to avoid
admitting you don't know the answer to The Question.

distraction #4! :-)

Which is the central issue.

According to whom? :-)

Why is it you demand that "Aline" R R R R, provide you with a self
addressed envelope? Why is it neither "Aline" or you seem able to
carry off this transmission of material?

Could it be that Alina is me? ;-)

Yes, it could be. Or a friend willing to play your game for you with
me. NO, Droany, I'm not giving the study to a stranger. When I said
anyone I certainly was NOT considering someone NOT in the ng at that
time and certainly NO ONE that would serve it up to you before you
prove you have it.

Weasel! :-)

Those I've given it to have agreed NOT to send it to you. I presume
they are smart enough to see your game and that you are angling for
some clues and the study itself if you can get it through me.

Only anti-spanking zealotS would believe that! :-)

Tough luck, little Droaner....not going to happen.

Weasel! :-)

So tell us, who is mentioned in the study that has the same last name
as someone well known to this ng and on what page does that name
appear in the report?

distraction #5! :-)

And why won't you answer that simple question? Or provide page numbers
for the questions you ask me?

I don't play your game! :-)

By the way, the chart you offerred on the responses to the Sit and
Watch non-compliance by the chidlren to "prove" you had the
study....bogus. Sorry.

Weasel!

It does NOT exist in the street entry study report.

It is in the FINAL report!

Nice try, Droany but it's becoming patently obvious you are running
a
giant bluff...scam really, and you have nothing as regards the
report.
You desperately want a report though, don't you little boy?


OOps! He caught us, Alina. ;-) I guess I have to contact Dr. Embry
like Kane told me to when I ASKED him for the study.

Yep, sure did. And you certainly can. What has stopped you?

Because I have already got one from the library! You told me to,
remembered? :-)

"I invited you before to contact professor Embry. He is available at
Dr. Dennis D. Embry
P.O. PAXIS Institute, 31475, Tucson, AZ 85751
520-299-6770
520-299-6822
"

R R R R R

Doan

Show us the lie, by the way. And Answer The Question....for THAT is
the sole reason The Embry report was brought up by you, to avoid
admitting you don't have the answer to the question I asked. Just
another childish and transparent dodge, little weasel.

Distraction #1.

It is YOUR distraction number one, not mine.

It's yours!

The original opening of the entire thread of diversion started when I
asked you to answer The Question. Instead of answering it successfuly
you went on this and other directions as a diversion from how
miserably you failed.

Question has been aswered. You are just too stupid to comprehended it!
:-)

I'm quite happy to discuss The Question with you. It's YOU that is
runing from you failure by using these distractions.

distraction #6! :-)

Admit it coward. You don't have the answer to the question and no
spanking parent has the answer, though they all claim, as you have,
that they and you do.

Distraction #2.

Yes, you haven't answered The Question, nor admitted to failing to do
so.

distraction #7! :-)

You choked, then gagged, now you are retching, and that is ALL you
are
doing with your challenges and bull****, instead of simply
answering
or admitting you cannot answer The Question.

Distraction #3.

Which is an admission you haven't and cannot answer The Question and
won't admit it.

distraction #8!

Have a wonderful life.

Thanks, Kane0!

Kane0 Kan't!

Doan

You are welcome, Droananator. {:-

And you 9 less than a Kane9. Kane9 - 9 = Kane0! :-)

Kane0 Kan't!

Doan