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Old March 2nd 04, 03:36 AM
V
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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I have a feeling that the 1 out of 6 is a phony statistic......


Actually it is a real stat. Do some research and find out. Nothing here is
phony.
V


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Old March 2nd 04, 03:38 AM
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ou have
information differently, please post it. Next time you might want to think
a little more before trying to flame


I wasn't flaming - I was just pointing out how inconsistent you are. If
someone else posted a "feeling" about statistics that didn't jive with your
opinion you'd be the one flaming much more than my simple pointing out your
inconsistency.

Joelle
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Joelle
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Old March 2nd 04, 04:22 AM
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'Kate wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:56:41 -0500, "P.Fritz"

Last time I looked, it wasn't just 'men' sitting on the bench.

And before you bring up the strawman 'men make up most of the

legislature'
arguement........women are the voting majority.


They vote on what is put in front of them ... by a congress that is at
least 80% male.


Same lame old feminitwit arguement.....I thought you were smarter than
that.

the vote that putsthe pols in office is what establishes their boting
principals....or lack thereof.

'Kate




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Old March 2nd 04, 04:24 AM
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'Kate wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:59:21 -0500, "P.Fritz"


'Kate wrote in message

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On 1 Mar 2004 04:19:49 -0800, (The Mighty
Quenelle)
"sg34" wrote in message

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Rape, unfortunately can happen to boys too.

Yes indeed. What's rape today?
Drunk people having sex or people having sex and regret it later?
It happens to man too. Except that no woman is send to jail for such

a
ridiculous crime

Saying that all rapes are the result of just a little too much

partying
and a bad decision is a head in the sand attitude. It makes it easy

to
not think until it happens to someone you love.


So wher did he say 'ALL'..............I think the radical feminists

have
done more harm by broadening the definition of rape to include morning

after
regrets and crunkne behavior. It takes away the seriousness of those

that
have actually been raped.



he said:
Yes indeed. What's rape today?
Drunk people having sex or people having sex and regret it later?
It happens to man too. Except that no woman is send to jail for such

a
ridiculous crime


His definition of rape is (read above). In his definition, violence
isn't mentioned. Force isn't mentioned.

I agree with you that there is a need to differentiate between liars,
people who made bad choices and people who were drugged, beaten, or held
down against their will. The stigma of being accused of rape is too
great to take one person's word for it. So... gosh, let's see...I know!
Let's have a trial!



Not a problem is the 'seriousness of the accusation" doesn't take
precendent over the facts............as evidenced by the number of people
being exonerated by DNA.

'Kate




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Old March 2nd 04, 04:27 AM
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'Kate wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:22:14 -0500, "P.Fritz"

Personal experiences doesn't alter statistical relevance, (as much as

you'd
like it to) but it is very easy to generate a phony statistic by

repeating a
lie long enough, or misconstruing data. I saw some stats that showed
somewhere between 3 and 5 % of men had been sexually assualted AND that

1 in
6 had occurred prior to the age of 16........it is easy to see how that
might have become what the OP posted, hence my 'feeling' If you have
information differently, please post it. Next time you might want to

think
a little more before trying to flame.


Several studies (and I can easily find a few) show that rape does not
have the same repercussions in men/boys than in women/girls. Women are
the ones who seek help most often. That's why the studies have been
generated on women. Men tend not to seek help. Do they need help? Who
knows. Sometimes focusing on a bad thing that happened makes it worse.


Studies done by the same people that want to 'fix' the census count by
guesstamites?



'Kate





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Old March 2nd 04, 04:29 AM
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"V" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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I have a feeling that the 1 out of 6 is a phony statistic......


Actually it is a real stat. Do some research and find out. Nothing here

is
phony.


No, you made the statement, the burden of proof is on you.

BTW, just because something is a statistic, doesn't mean it is not a phony
statistic.

V





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Old March 2nd 04, 04:34 AM
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"Joelle" wrote in message
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ou have
information differently, please post it. Next time you might want to

think
a little more before trying to flame


I wasn't flaming -


Yeah right................................

I was just pointing out how inconsistent you are. If
someone else posted a "feeling" about statistics that didn't jive with

your
opinion you'd be the one flaming much more than my simple pointing out

your
inconsistency.


I'm not inconsistent at all. My 'feeling' was based on the information I
have seen, not an opinion pulled from the air. You on the other hand, seem
to think that your opinions formed by a ridiculously small and non random
sample set, somehow trumps any study that shoots holes in your opinion.

So you don't have any information to validate the OP?


Joelle
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Augustine
Joelle




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Old March 2nd 04, 06:21 AM
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I'm not inconsistent at all.

Saying doesn't make it true.

So you don't have any information to validate the OP?


Um, I believe the OP wanted to empower boys. Frankly I think the whole
"empowerment" idea is stupid. I think you should just raise kids to be decent
people. Period.

And to be more consistent than you are.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
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Old March 2nd 04, 06:23 AM
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Same lame old feminitwit arguement.....I thought you were smarter than
that.


Geesh Paul, I mean this sincerely. You are begining to sound as shrill and
repetitive as some feminist posters you dislike. You need to take a step back.

Joelle
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Joelle
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Old March 2nd 04, 02:25 PM
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V wrote in message
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I know alot of empowering young women and girlpower and I have read many
periodicals and books on the subject.
Now, I am searching for empowering young men and boypower. The search is

very
skim. I have read, Bad Boys and Raising Boys, but there is just not as

much
out there on this subject as far as programs to help boys, besides YMCA.
I know there is boy scouts and girl scouts, etc, but they are something

that
is not close by in our area.
I am going to be getting some ideas together to begin a program within the
school system that empowers our young men. I have been reading a lot of

stuff
to present to some rape crisis volunteers on the history of rape. This is

what
got me to think about how men are raised to commit such a horrible act.
Then I think of their home life, etc. and it is a serious factor?
What do you guys think?
I will be going to school (senior highs) and speaking to young women about
rape prevention, but just what can I tell the boys?
Sorry about the long rant.
Thanks.
V
The teacher will appear when the pupil is ready.




I would suggest telling the boys exactly what you tell the women. It is
possible for men to be taken advantage of the same way women are. You also
need to tell them it does happen to men and it does need to be reported. I
would also throw in a bit about how men need to start covering their own
asses when it comes to sex and always wear condoms, regardless of what the
women says. As I tell girls, have your own condoms so you are not relying on
a dude's condom that might be 5 years old.

Why do we feel the need to empower any one group? Why not spend the time
teaching basic morals on treating all beings decently?

T


 




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