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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:53:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 05:46:47 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:11:03 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: You don't have the remotest idea what management does. The accounting for Publix is done in Lakeland, FL. Also, the ordering is computerized. -------------- Buyer's club, any affiliation of grocery stores can do that for the purpose of group buying, like IGA did. You must be on some drug. Buyer's clubs are not related to employees owning stock in a supermarket or some other business. Holger ----------------------- Use your mind. A "buyer's club" of grocery retailers combining their purchasing power to get lower prices. And how do you think that is relative to employees owning stock in the company they work for? Holger ----------------------------------------- The ultimate in that is Communism. No it's not. Communism will not work for any society or culture. Management is not some kind of magic only rich people can do. No, it's the ability to choose the right people to do particular jobs and the ability to see problems and correct them by implementing productive change. Most labor does not have that ability. It doesn't meant that they are inferior, but only means that their talents are different. Holger It's actually rather trivial, and even rich people hire underlings to do it for them. Steve http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:57:49 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote: Nonsense, their societies survived and proliferated huge populations. They were good at hunting, eating, ****ing, and ****ing. Tribes were always killing each other and cannibalism was rampant. The average life span was probably about 18 so they had to reproduce rapidly. -------------------- Nonsense. The average without ANY medical help is over 50. Not now, but for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. More like 18. No mere "savages" could have survives, because "savages" as racists like you imagine, have no cooperation, no ability to reason, no industry, in other words, all the things they would need to have done what they did do, or they wouldn't BE here. No, I guess without all that ****ing they wouldn't be here. That must have been passed down through their genes to the blacks in America. ------------------ What? ****ing? And so you think WE don;t **** or something???? No, I'm saying, without ****ing so much, with an average life span of only about 18, you could not have survived. No wonder 7 out of every 10 black people in America have children out of wedlock. ------------------- That's nothing but custom. If the custom was different, they'd do that. So it's custom for 68% of black females to have children out of wedlock? Wow! You are really screwed up. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:53:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: Use your mind. A "buyer's club" of grocery retailers combining their purchasing power to get lower prices. And how do you think that is relative to employees owning stock in the company they work for? Holger ----------------------------------------- The ultimate in that is Communism. No it's not. Communism will not work for any society or culture. ----------------------- Your statement of faith is pitiful. It worked for 100,000 years! WE EVOLVED IN IT! Management is not some kind of magic only rich people can do. No, it's the ability to choose the right people to do particular jobs and the ability to see problems and correct them by implementing productive change. ---------------------- There's no magic that makes some rich guy able to do that and others not! In fact it's LESS likely some self-selected rich guy will know how than someone selected to manage for them by the Majority!! Most labor does not have that ability. It doesn't meant that they are inferior, but only means that their talents are different. Holger ------------------------- Gee, you have progressed ever so slightly. Their Majority is eminently able to select others to do it, and oversee them. Steve It's actually rather trivial, and even rich people hire underlings to do it for them. Steve |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:57:49 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: Nonsense, their societies survived and proliferated huge populations. They were good at hunting, eating, ****ing, and ****ing. Tribes were always killing each other and cannibalism was rampant. The average life span was probably about 18 so they had to reproduce rapidly. -------------------- Nonsense. The average without ANY medical help is over 50. Not now, but for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. More like 18. No mere "savages" could have survives, because "savages" as racists like you imagine, have no cooperation, no ability to reason, no industry, in other words, all the things they would need to have done what they did do, or they wouldn't BE here. No, I guess without all that ****ing they wouldn't be here. That must have been passed down through their genes to the blacks in America. ------------------ What? ****ing? And so you think WE don;t **** or something???? No, I'm saying, without ****ing so much, with an average life span of only about 18, you could not have survived. ---------------------- Even Neanderthal lived to 45 or 50, you Moron!! Sure, they had 50% or worse infant mortality, but if they survived childhood they had another 35 to 40 YEARS! No wonder 7 out of every 10 black people in America have children out of wedlock. ------------------- That's nothing but custom. If the custom was different, they'd do that. So it's custom for 68% of black females to have children out of wedlock? --------------------- Yes. They do it that way for numerous cultural and economic reasons. Steve |
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Fletch F. Fletch wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote: Okay, I presume that means 'yes' to the large scale question. How do you know it is actual human nature? --------------------- Do you want to be stolen from, or do you think people should be equal? Steve I don't think that 'should be' enters into it. People are not equal. ---------------------- Right, and becaause they are not, they need protection of the State to cause them to be before the law and moral fairness. Whatever the metric, some are better than others. Whether this inequality is fair or unfair is arbitrary, but it is reality nonetheless. ------------------------- Actually, since these "some" don't constitute any majority, there is no supposed "authority" to declare some minority to be "better" than anyone else. The Majority can indeed resolve to make the compensation of everyone equal per labor hour, and to believe in the requirement of fairness in the economic life of the nation. That any one group or any other bunch of people might think that some minority of people are more fulfilled in their promise than another, is totally and entirely irrelevant to that, however it is understood. We all appreciate geniuses as well, but we don't elect them dictator or make them the slave-master over everyone else. Your belief that every person is entitled to his fair share is as valid as any other belief, but I don't think it comports well with the competitive nature of our species, at least not on a large scale. Fletch ------------------------------------------- It is the ONLY reasonable belief for a majority of people to have and to demand politically, because it is most in each individual person's interest, as opposed to the option of each person deciding to vote to give their life's labor and all power away to one king, slave-master, dictator, or other minority! Steve I must say that I agree with none of your conclusions. ------------------------- Meaning you can't fault them logically anymore. I think we are at impasse. Fletch ----------------------- You are, try laxatives. Steve |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:57:49 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: Nonsense, their societies survived and proliferated huge populations. They were good at hunting, eating, ****ing, and ****ing. Tribes were always killing each other and cannibalism was rampant. The average life span was probably about 18 so they had to reproduce rapidly. -------------------- Nonsense. The average without ANY medical help is over 50. Not now, but for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. More like 18. Wrong again. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2102rank.html The lowest average life expectancies at birth of countries reported in the CIA Worldbook is Mozambique at 31.3 years. 9 countries in Africa have average life expectancies below 40 years, which about twice what you guessed. But there are 13 countries in subSaharan Africa with average life expectancies at birth of over 50 years, headed by Sudan at 57.7 years and Gabon at 57.1 years, and Gabon has a 9% adult AIDS rate so they historically were probably higher. The most populous African country, Nigeria, has a life expectancy at birth of 51 years, nearly 3 times your silly guess, and very close to Steve's number. But life expectancies include infant mortality which is high in the tropics no matter how "civilized" the country is. A kid who lives to age 5 generally lives a lot longer than the average life expectancy at birth. No, I guess without all that ****ing they wouldn't be here. That must have been passed down through their genes to the blacks in America. ------------------ What? ****ing? And so you think WE don;t **** or something???? No, I'm saying, without ****ing so much, with an average life span of only about 18, you could not have survived. I doubt that blacks have sex more than whites. No wonder 7 out of every 10 black people in America have children out of wedlock. ------------------- That's nothing but custom. If the custom was different, they'd do that. So it's custom for 68% of black females to have children out of wedlock? It's customary for many of them not to worry about getting married to the father. It's becoming that way for many others, too. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: Not now, but for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. More like 18. Wrong again. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2102rank.html The lowest average life expectancies at birth of countries reported in the CIA Worldbook is Mozambique at 31.3 years. 9 countries in Africa have average life expectancies below 40 years, which about twice what you guessed. But there are 13 countries in subSaharan Africa with average life expectancies at birth of over 50 years, headed by Sudan at 57.7 years and Gabon at 57.1 years, and Gabon has a 9% adult AIDS rate so they historically were probably higher. The most populous African country, Nigeria, has a life expectancy at birth of 51 years, nearly 3 times your silly guess, and very close to Steve's number. Bob, you are too quick to accept data about Africa just because it appears on some website. Most African countries are so primitive, backward, and corrupt, that there is simply no mechanism in place to generate accurate data. To assign credence to any of that CIA info would necessitate a census of some sort, like in the first world. AfroDAFNz don't even begin this process. For many of these countries, maps don't even exist giving the locations and names of the miserable IQ-65 villages, let alone any credible info on their demogrpahics. You really think anyone is out there tracking all the infant mortality? I'd vote for the 18yo avg for Mozambique, Congo, Botswana, et al... |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote: The most populous African country, Nigeria, has a life expectancy at birth of 51 years, nearly 3 times your silly guess, and very close to Steve's number. Bob, you are too quick to accept data about Africa just because it appears on some website. Most African countries are so primitive, backward, and corrupt, that there is simply no mechanism in place to generate accurate data. To assign credence to any of that CIA info would necessitate a census of some sort, like in the first world. The Romans conducted censuses 2000 years ago. Not exactly a sophisticated concept. AfroDAFNz don't even begin this process. http://www1.worldbank.org/publicsect...arynigeria.htm http://www.mozambique.mz/dadosbas/censo97/ecen97.htm For many of these countries, maps don't even exist giving the locations and names of the miserable IQ-65 villages, You apparently never heard of satellites. I rather doubt that there is anywhere on earth that has villages that no one knows about. http://www.geog.umd.edu/carpe/gisthemes.html You apparently want to believe that these countries still are limited to drum banging. Many of them have Internet access. let alone any credible info on their demogrpahics. You really think anyone is out there tracking all the infant mortality? Yes, and not just people in-country. It's done with statistics, dummy. If you know how many 10 year olds that there are at one census, and how many 20 year olds at a census ten years later, you know what the death rate was for that age group in that period. I'd vote for the 18yo avg for Mozambique, Congo, Botswana, et al... Translation: Don't confuse me with facts: I want to continue to believe racist nonsense. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:51:33 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:53:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: Use your mind. A "buyer's club" of grocery retailers combining their purchasing power to get lower prices. And how do you think that is relative to employees owning stock in the company they work for? Holger ----------------------------------------- The ultimate in that is Communism. No it's not. Communism will not work for any society or culture. ----------------------- Your statement of faith is pitiful. It worked for 100,000 years! WE EVOLVED IN IT! Management is not some kind of magic only rich people can do. No, it's the ability to choose the right people to do particular jobs and the ability to see problems and correct them by implementing productive change. ---------------------- There's no magic that makes some rich guy able to do that and others not! In fact it's LESS likely some self-selected rich guy will know how than someone selected to manage for them by the Majority!! I don't know what you mean by a rich guy. Having money does not give anyone any more brains than they had without it. The majority is usually wrong about almost everything. People did not vote on how to make a telephone or a steam engine or an airplane, etc. All creations are the product of an individual, and never of the majority. Most labor does not have that ability. It doesn't meant that they are inferior, but only means that their talents are different. Holger ------------------------- Gee, you have progressed ever so slightly. Their Majority is eminently able to select others to do it, and oversee them. The majority doesn't make good decisions. That's why our founding fathers were cautious not to make the United States a government where the majority approved of everything. A government like that would not work. You would have chaos. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Bob LeChevalier wrote: The most populous African country, Nigeria, has a life expectancy at birth of 51 years, nearly 3 times your silly guess, and very close to Steve's number. Bob, you are too quick to accept data about Africa just because it appears on some website. Most African countries are so primitive, backward, and corrupt, that there is simply no mechanism in place to generate accurate data. To assign credence to any of that CIA info would necessitate a census of some sort, like in the first world. The Romans conducted censuses 2000 years ago. Not exactly a sophisticated concept. Early Romans were light years more advanced civilization than most of today'z African villages. AfroDAFNz don't even begin this process. For many of these countries, maps don't even exist giving the locations and names of the miserable IQ-65 villages, You apparently never heard of satellites. I rather doubt that there is anywhere on earth that has villages that no one knows about. You can't tell the ages of people in a satellite foto. You apparently want to believe that these countries still are limited to drum banging. Many of them have Internet access. Most of the villages have no electricity or an unreliable generator that'z regularly scheduled to be on four hours a day (except when it'z broken down). I know this from absolute true reports from missionary acquantances who have spent a lot of time in the backwater spear- chucking primitive African hinterlands. I am not talking about the big cities here (Nairobi, Lagos, etc) where there is at least a crude handle on the demographics... let alone any credible info on their demogrpahics. You really think anyone is out there tracking all the infant mortality? Yes, and not just people in-country. It's done with statistics, dummy. If you know how many 10 year olds that there are at one census, and how many 20 year olds at a census ten years later, you know what the death rate was for that age group in that period. These countries don't even have a census as we know it. Most of these countries are Fkg starving to death with a lot of rebel groupz feuding. The gov't doesn't waste resourzes, or official livez sending bean-counters around to count nozez. And the pressure to cover up anything that may reflect badly on the H-dafn-IC is worse than the USA public schoolz' effortz to mazk poor DAFN performance. You will never get a good figure for AfroDAFN_Infant_Mortality... You get sketchy fragmentary data from relief groups and missionaries (e.g., how many people in some refugee camp, and who knows how many, particularly infantz, died trying to get there...). I'd vote for the 18yo avg for Mozambique, Congo, Botswana, et al... Revise that *downward*: True life expectrancy of an African today is on the order of sixteen miserable disgusting disease & violence-filled yearz...if the factz were really known, from live birth to premature death. African Census-taker (example): Somebody who countz the bodiez floating down that river between Rwanda/Burundi where the Tutsiz and Hutuz are ztill fighting it out.... |
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