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Chotii wrote:
Are you incapable of discussing an unnecessary surgical procedure without using adjectives like 'hideous' and derogatory phrases such as 'skin freak'? I'd like to see you try. Just once. One post, please, where you address issues without tossing in a few gratuitous epithets. Oh Angela I really understand how difficult it is for a foreskin true believer to try and sell "the cause". People justifiably tend to look at your psychosexually based obsession with a jaundiced eye. Just like others from the AIDS denialists and the Flat Earth Society it goes with the territory. You behave like a lunatic fanatic and you tend to get treated like a lunatic fanatic. Deal with it. |
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"Briar Rabbit" wrote in message ... Chotii wrote: Are you incapable of discussing an unnecessary surgical procedure without using adjectives like 'hideous' and derogatory phrases such as 'skin freak'? I'd like to see you try. Just once. One post, please, where you address issues without tossing in a few gratuitous epithets. Oh Angela I really understand how difficult it is for a foreskin true believer to try and sell "the cause". People justifiably tend to look at your psychosexually based obsession with a jaundiced eye. Just like others from the AIDS denialists and the Flat Earth Society it goes with the territory. You behave like a lunatic fanatic and you tend to get treated like a lunatic fanatic. Deal with it. You may have failed to notice, I'm not the one suggesting that parents ought to cut skin and muscle from perfectly healthy, normal baby boys. You have never yet seen *me* say that little boys with medical issues involving their penises (which works out to about 10%) should not have necessary surgery. You will not hear me say it. I do think medical issues requiring surgery should receive appropriate care, including circumcision. You may disagree with me, and obviously you do. But you cannot make the accusation that I have, or do, act like a fanatic. I simply believe that cutting hurts babies. I believe hurting babies for no medical reason, is wrong. If this makes me a fanatic, then I'll deal with it. And I have never, not once, stooped to namecalling, exaggerations, or insults. I think the audience, if there is one, can judge for itself. --angela |
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"Chotii" wrote in message ...
"Briar Rabbit" wrote in message ... Chotii wrote: Are you incapable of discussing an unnecessary surgical procedure without using adjectives like 'hideous' and derogatory phrases such as 'skin freak'? I'd like to see you try. Just once. One post, please, where you address issues without tossing in a few gratuitous epithets. Oh Angela I really understand how difficult it is for a foreskin true believer to try and sell "the cause". People justifiably tend to look at your psychosexually based obsession with a jaundiced eye. Just like others from the AIDS denialists and the Flat Earth Society it goes with the territory. You behave like a lunatic fanatic and you tend to get treated like a lunatic fanatic. Deal with it. You may have failed to notice, I'm not the one suggesting that parents ought to cut skin and muscle from perfectly healthy, normal baby boys. You have never yet seen *me* say that little boys with medical issues involving their penises (which works out to about 10%) should not have necessary surgery. You will not hear me say it. I do think medical issues requiring surgery should receive appropriate care, including circumcision. You may disagree with me, and obviously you do. But you cannot make the accusation that I have, or do, act like a fanatic. I simply believe that cutting hurts babies. I believe hurting babies for no medical reason, is wrong. If this makes me a fanatic, then I'll deal with it. And I have never, not once, stooped to namecalling, exaggerations, or insults. I think the audience, if there is one, can judge for itself. --angela Angela, if cyberspace ever came with its own psych ward, you would be the first one to be committed for a 72 hr. virtual observation!eheheh See, to those of us who are normal, "cutting hurts babies" has an inflammatory and deeply disturbed ring to it. Allow me to humor your ongoing insanity for one last time: Popping babies out of a mother's womb also hurts! In fact, I can't think of anything more traumatic for a mother & her newborn than the birthing process, can you?! Yet, I do not see you and your scab scavenger cohorts petitioning the excrutiating pain that is experienced for both mothers and their newborns!! Yes, you will respond with: "but procreation is necessary for the existence of humanity." And I respond with: "but circumcision is also necessary for the overall well-being & health of our children." If foreskin is such a healthy appendage, why do 10% of newborns not circumcised at birth eventually necessitate circumcision!? And that 10% figure is multiplied by individual countries x infants = tens of millions of infected foreskinned penises that should have been circumcised at birth! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, remember!? Just like immunization, you do not wait for the possibility of infection! Therefore, that figure then becomes 10% too many! It's the thing that should not be! And that % doesn't even include the hordes of adults who have to suffer in silence, simply because their ignorant and uncaring parents chose to forgo a simple, safe & beneficial procedure upon birth. And what is this obsession with pain!? Can you find me one child who has gone through life unscathed!? Does a child's life end, simply because he scrapes his knee in a playground!? DOH! Skin is also removed, remember!? Yes, life would be wonderful, if we could all eliminate pain. LOL! Unfortunately, life itself is painful! We all experience pain (physical & emotional) - no matter what the age - with or without circumcision! The mere fact that a baby wails during circumcision (or any medical procedure for that matter) is not necessarily indicative of pain. Do newborns not cry after the removal of their diapers?! This may be due to a need to feel enclosed or merely due to feeling cold. If you paid careful attention to the circumcision, you would have noticed (in many instances) that the baby starts to cry before any procedure has actually been performed. Infants & toddlers shall always be sensitive to light, sound & touch! Believe me, circumcision doesn't have the market cornered on pain! I know it's very difficult for your MESHUGGENEH brain to comprehend, but circumcision is still the safest and most common cut in all of surgery (if you can even call shaving off a flap of fugly skin that), occurring more frequently than tooth extraction & cesarean section. A BRIS (Jewish circumcision ceremony on the eighth day of life) is over in less than 40 seconds. In the end, you must weigh a 40 second to 15 minute procedure (including a little pain - if at all since every measure is taken to ensure a painless procedure) vs. a lifetime of medical & cosmetic benefits. There is no cognitive impact at birth, but there definitely is in adulthood. And this is why it is imperative that circumcision be carried out during infancy. Let's use a little common sense here, Angela. Do we as adults remember the traumatizing experience of being birthed through the womb!? In the end, listening to your thought process can also be painful! ehe Far more painful than any circumcision ever could be! LOL! -D, NYC "This Jewish physician co-founded the AMA (American Medical Association) in 1847" - ISAAC HAYS http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup/commdx/table1a.htm (Most Common Medical procedures in the US - Circumcision tops list) http://www.aids.net.au/lemons-news-10-03-04.htm (Circumcision provides a 2-8 protective fold against HIV) http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2754/wiswell.html (Neonatal Circumcision: A Current Appraisal - Dr. Thomas E. Wiswell, FAAP) http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_of_circumcision.htm (Benefits of circumcision -Prof. Brian "not Jewish" Morris - 30+ years of unbias research) http://www.medicirc.org/meditopics/p...nfo_women.html (Circumcision - a lifetime of medical benefits: Women's Sexual Penile Preference, Sexual Activity, Psych Effect) http://www.drweiss.org/necesary.htm (Neonatal Circumcision Is Necessary- Dr. Gerald Weiss) http://www.guinessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=49870 (Science & Technology - Buildings - Largest Synagogue in the world - Temple Emanu-El, NYC) http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2004a/pr126-04.html (NYC - safest, largest city in the US - 2004) http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/poj.htm (The Phenomenon Of The Jews) http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/dialogue.htm (Jews, IQ & Nobel Laureates) http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Economy/telaviv.html (Tel Aviv - Top 10 High-Tech Cities In the World - Newsweek) http://www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Jews (Do Jews run Hollywood? You bet they do, and what of it? - Ben Stein) |
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wrote in message om... "Chotii" wrote in message ... "Briar Rabbit" wrote in message ... Chotii wrote: Are you incapable of discussing an unnecessary surgical procedure without using adjectives like 'hideous' and derogatory phrases such as 'skin freak'? I'd like to see you try. Just once. One post, please, where you address issues without tossing in a few gratuitous epithets. Oh Angela I really understand how difficult it is for a foreskin true believer to try and sell "the cause". People justifiably tend to look at your psychosexually based obsession with a jaundiced eye. Just like others from the AIDS denialists and the Flat Earth Society it goes with the territory. You behave like a lunatic fanatic and you tend to get treated like a lunatic fanatic. Deal with it. You may have failed to notice, I'm not the one suggesting that parents ought to cut skin and muscle from perfectly healthy, normal baby boys. You have never yet seen *me* say that little boys with medical issues involving their penises (which works out to about 10%) should not have necessary surgery. You will not hear me say it. I do think medical issues requiring surgery should receive appropriate care, including circumcision. You may disagree with me, and obviously you do. But you cannot make the accusation that I have, or do, act like a fanatic. I simply believe that cutting hurts babies. I believe hurting babies for no medical reason, is wrong. If this makes me a fanatic, then I'll deal with it. And I have never, not once, stooped to namecalling, exaggerations, or insults. I think the audience, if there is one, can judge for itself. --angela Angela, if cyberspace ever came with its own psych ward, you would be the first one to be committed for a 72 hr. virtual observation!eheheh See, to those of us who are normal, "cutting hurts babies" has an inflammatory and deeply disturbed ring to it. Allow me to humor your ongoing insanity for one last time: Popping babies out of a mother's womb also hurts! In fact, I can't think of anything more traumatic for a mother & her newborn than the birthing process, can you?! Yet, I do not see you and your scab scavenger cohorts petitioning the excrutiating pain that is experienced for both mothers and their newborns!! Yes, you will respond with: "but procreation is necessary for the existence of humanity." And I respond with: "but circumcision is also necessary for the overall well-being & health of our children." If foreskin is such a healthy appendage, why do 10% of newborns not circumcised at birth eventually necessitate circumcision!? And that 10% figure is multiplied by individual countries x infants = tens of millions of infected foreskinned penises that should have been circumcised at birth! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, remember!? Just like immunization, you do not wait for the possibility of infection! Therefore, that figure then becomes 10% too many! It's the thing that should not be! And that % doesn't even include the hordes of adults who have to suffer in silence, simply because their ignorant and uncaring parents chose to forgo a simple, safe & beneficial procedure upon birth. And what is this obsession with pain!? Can you find me one child who has gone through life unscathed!? Does a child's life end, simply because he scrapes his knee in a playground!? DOH! Skin is also removed, remember!? Yes, life would be wonderful, if we could all eliminate pain. LOL! Unfortunately, life itself is painful! We all experience pain (physical & emotional) - no matter what the age - with or without circumcision! The mere fact that a baby wails during circumcision (or any medical procedure for that matter) is not necessarily indicative of pain. Do newborns not cry after the removal of their diapers?! This may be due to a need to feel enclosed or merely due to feeling cold. If you paid careful attention to the circumcision, you would have noticed (in many instances) that the baby starts to cry before any procedure has actually been performed. Infants & toddlers shall always be sensitive to light, sound & touch! Believe me, circumcision doesn't have the market cornered on pain! I know it's very difficult for your MESHUGGENEH brain to comprehend, but circumcision is still the safest and most common cut in all of surgery (if you can even call shaving off a flap of fugly skin that), occurring more frequently than tooth extraction & cesarean section. A BRIS (Jewish circumcision ceremony on the eighth day of life) is over in less than 40 seconds. In the end, you must weigh a 40 second to 15 minute procedure (including a little pain - if at all since every measure is taken to ensure a painless procedure) vs. a lifetime of medical & cosmetic benefits. Cosmetic benefits? Who are you to say which is better? Opinion is everything. My husband is cir'ced wishes he wasn't. And I much prefer the look (and feel) of a natural penis to a unnatural, mutilated one. That scar is just *so* pleasant after all. |
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wrote in message om... If foreskin is such a healthy appendage, why do 10% of newborns not circumcised at birth eventually necessitate circumcision!? And that 10% figure is multiplied by individual countries x infants = tens of millions of infected foreskinned penises that should have been circumcised at birth! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, remember!? Just like immunization, you do not wait for the possibility of infection! Therefore, that figure then becomes 10% too many! It's the thing that should not be! And while we're at it, lets do appendectomies and tonsillectomies on all those babies. There are a sizable number who eventually need them taken out anyway. Do not wait for possibility of infection! An ounce of prevention! |
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"toypup" wrote in message news:QA6_c.23743$3l3.13666@attbi_s03... wrote in message om... If foreskin is such a healthy appendage, why do 10% of newborns not circumcised at birth eventually necessitate circumcision!? And that 10% figure is multiplied by individual countries x infants = tens of millions of infected foreskinned penises that should have been circumcised at birth! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, remember!? Just like immunization, you do not wait for the possibility of infection! Therefore, that figure then becomes 10% too many! It's the thing that should not be! And while we're at it, lets do appendectomies and tonsillectomies on all those babies. There are a sizable number who eventually need them taken out anyway. Do not wait for possibility of infection! An ounce of prevention! Oddly enough, he's quick to talk about all the infections in question, when in fact the biggest reason a baby boy would need a medical circumcision would be a congenital birth defect, hypospadias. Older boys, or men, might require them for phimosis that didn't respond to gentle stretching and the careful use of steroid creams, for a too-tight frenulum resulting in painful intercourse (similar in nature, actually, to a baby born with tongue-tie....and as I have noted elsewhere, two of my children were born tongue-tied and had frenulumectomies done), and yes, I suppose for a bacterial infection (but don't we have antibiotics for skin infections?). A baby whose foreskin has not been forcibly retracted is unlikely to get a bacterial infection under it, or develop adhesions - yet, even *those* adhesions typically resolve at puberty with the surge of hormones that come (as is true, also, with labial adhesions in little girls.) He and his fellow supporters talk a big line about how it's cheaper to do 90% unnecessary surgeries on little boys who don't need them, than to do 10% that many on babies, and boys, and men, who do need them. I'm not sure I follow the math. --angela |
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"firedancer623" wrote in message news:y33_c.170$wF4.30@trndny09...
wrote in message om... "Chotii" wrote in message ... "Briar Rabbit" wrote in message ... Chotii wrote: Are you incapable of discussing an unnecessary surgical procedure without using adjectives like 'hideous' and derogatory phrases such as 'skin freak'? I'd like to see you try. Just once. One post, please, where you address issues without tossing in a few gratuitous epithets. Oh Angela I really understand how difficult it is for a foreskin true believer to try and sell "the cause". People justifiably tend to look at your psychosexually based obsession with a jaundiced eye. Just like others from the AIDS denialists and the Flat Earth Society it goes with the territory. You behave like a lunatic fanatic and you tend to get treated like a lunatic fanatic. Deal with it. You may have failed to notice, I'm not the one suggesting that parents ought to cut skin and muscle from perfectly healthy, normal baby boys. You have never yet seen *me* say that little boys with medical issues involving their penises (which works out to about 10%) should not have necessary surgery. You will not hear me say it. I do think medical issues requiring surgery should receive appropriate care, including circumcision. You may disagree with me, and obviously you do. But you cannot make the accusation that I have, or do, act like a fanatic. I simply believe that cutting hurts babies. I believe hurting babies for no medical reason, is wrong. If this makes me a fanatic, then I'll deal with it. And I have never, not once, stooped to namecalling, exaggerations, or insults. I think the audience, if there is one, can judge for itself. --angela Angela, if cyberspace ever came with its own psych ward, you would be the first one to be committed for a 72 hr. virtual observation!eheheh See, to those of us who are normal, "cutting hurts babies" has an inflammatory and deeply disturbed ring to it. Allow me to humor your ongoing insanity for one last time: Popping babies out of a mother's womb also hurts! In fact, I can't think of anything more traumatic for a mother & her newborn than the birthing process, can you?! Yet, I do not see you and your scab scavenger cohorts petitioning the excrutiating pain that is experienced for both mothers and their newborns!! Yes, you will respond with: "but procreation is necessary for the existence of humanity." And I respond with: "but circumcision is also necessary for the overall well-being & health of our children." If foreskin is such a healthy appendage, why do 10% of newborns not circumcised at birth eventually necessitate circumcision!? And that 10% figure is multiplied by individual countries x infants = tens of millions of infected foreskinned penises that should have been circumcised at birth! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, remember!? Just like immunization, you do not wait for the possibility of infection! Therefore, that figure then becomes 10% too many! It's the thing that should not be! And that % doesn't even include the hordes of adults who have to suffer in silence, simply because their ignorant and uncaring parents chose to forgo a simple, safe & beneficial procedure upon birth. And what is this obsession with pain!? Can you find me one child who has gone through life unscathed!? Does a child's life end, simply because he scrapes his knee in a playground!? DOH! Skin is also removed, remember!? Yes, life would be wonderful, if we could all eliminate pain. LOL! Unfortunately, life itself is painful! We all experience pain (physical & emotional) - no matter what the age - with or without circumcision! The mere fact that a baby wails during circumcision (or any medical procedure for that matter) is not necessarily indicative of pain. Do newborns not cry after the removal of their diapers?! This may be due to a need to feel enclosed or merely due to feeling cold. If you paid careful attention to the circumcision, you would have noticed (in many instances) that the baby starts to cry before any procedure has actually been performed. Infants & toddlers shall always be sensitive to light, sound & touch! Believe me, circumcision doesn't have the market cornered on pain! I know it's very difficult for your MESHUGGENEH brain to comprehend, but circumcision is still the safest and most common cut in all of surgery (if you can even call shaving off a flap of fugly skin that), occurring more frequently than tooth extraction & cesarean section. A BRIS (Jewish circumcision ceremony on the eighth day of life) is over in less than 40 seconds. In the end, you must weigh a 40 second to 15 minute procedure (including a little pain - if at all since every measure is taken to ensure a painless procedure) vs. a lifetime of medical & cosmetic benefits. Cosmetic benefits? Who are you to say which is better? Opinion is everything. My husband is cir'ced wishes he wasn't. And I much prefer the look (and feel) of a natural penis to a unnatural, mutilated one. That scar is just *so* pleasant after all. Now prove to us that you have a hubby, let alone a snatch! LOL! DOH! Unfknblvbl!ehe If you had chosen to omit the words "mutilation" & "scar," you may have had an easier time trying to convince us of your DRECK! While beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, innate beauty does not lie! ie. Marilyn Monroe vs. Whoopi Goldberg!ehe Which one hit the gene pool lottery, and which one can be used as the "poster girl" for birth control?eheheheh No-brainer, right!? Well, the same applies to circumcised vs. uncircumcised. One is a fugly scab of skin that looks like a rodent trapped inside of a garden hose, while the other is a chiseled work of art that proudly displays his soldier's helmet at all times. 'Tis always better to stand at attention than slouch like an anteater!eh Why would anyone want to have bad posture, no!? Apply the same rationale to the penis. We always want to look our best! Like it or not, the circumcised member is preferred by most of civilized society! Over 80% of American women prefer the circumcised member. It's neater, more attractive, and free from cancerous gunk (aka smegma) that reeks of high heaven. On that basis alone, many men have chosen to be circumcised. Remember, you cannot scrub away the physiology of foreskin. When you have a moist fold of skin that continually harbors bacteria (smegma), soap (irritant) proves futile, and can actually cause the smegma to multiply! Circumcision is the only known cure!! Now go take you pus pushing somewhere else! eh You are not fooling anyone! -D, NYC "The first American scientist ever awarded a Nobel prize was Jewish" - ALBERT ABRAHAM MICHAELSON http://www.medicirc.org/meditopics/p...nfo_women.html (Circumcision - a lifetime of medical benefits: Women's Sexual Penile Preference, Sexual Activity, Psych Effect)http://www.guinessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=49870 (Science & Technology - Buildings - Largest Synagogue in the world - Temple Emanu-El, NYC) http://www.guinessworldrecords.com/g...ges/search.asp searchstring=new%20york(Guinness World Records - NY Listing) http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2004a/pr126-04.html (NYC - safest, largest city in the US - 2004) http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/poj.htm (The Phenomenon Of The Jews) http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/dialogue.htm (Jews, IQ & Nobel Laureates) http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Economy/telaviv.html (Tel Aviv - Top 10 High-Tech Cities In the World - Newsweek) http://www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Jews (Do Jews run Hollywood? You bet they do, and what of it? - Ben Stein) |
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wrote in message om... "firedancer623" wrote in message news:y33_c.170$wF4.30@trndny09... wrote in message om... "Chotii" wrote in message ... "Briar Rabbit" wrote in message .. It's neater, more attractive, and free from cancerous gunk (aka smegma) that reeks of high heaven. And you know this how? Have you had a sexual encounter with a foreskin? On that basis alone, many men have chosen to be circumcised. And many, many more choose not to. |
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firedancer623 wrote:
Cosmetic benefits? Who are you to say which is better? Opinion is everything. My husband is cir'ced wishes he wasn't. And I much prefer the look (and feel) of a natural penis to a unnatural, mutilated one. That scar is just *so* pleasant after all. So you ARE a skin freak then. |
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"Briar Rabbit" wrote in message ... firedancer623 wrote: Cosmetic benefits? Who are you to say which is better? Opinion is everything. My husband is cir'ced wishes he wasn't. And I much prefer the look (and feel) of a natural penis to a unnatural, mutilated one. That scar is just *so* pleasant after all. So you ARE a skin freak then. I guess I am |
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