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School Breakfasts (and lunches)
First some history of the school lunch program. It was begun under
Harry Truman. http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/Lunch/ School breakfast programs came into being in 1966. http://www.frac.org/html/federal_foo...grams/sbp.html Universal school breakfast refers to any school program that offers breakfast at no charge to all students, regardless of income. (Schools that offer universal school breakfast are still in the minority, and must seek local or state resources to cover any additional costs involved.) Many universal school breakfast programs provide breakfast in the classroom when school starts in the morning, rather than in the cafeteria before school starts, which makes it easier for children to participate. Schools that provide universal breakfast in the classroom report decreases in discipline and psychological problems, visits to school nurses and tardiness; increases in student attentiveness and attendance; and generally improved learning environments. Participation On a typical day during the 2006-07 school year, 9.9 million children in more than 84,500 schools and institutions participated in the SBP. Of these children, 81 percent received free or reduced price breakfasts. About 85 percent of schools that serve lunch also serve breakfast. In the 2006-07 school year, 45.3 children received free or reduced price school breakfast for every 100 who received free-or reduced price school lunch, although this ratio varied among the states from 32.9 per 100 to 61.1 per 100. Research shows that universal school breakfast programs dramatically increase student participation in school breakfast. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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School Breakfasts (and lunches)
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toto wrote: Many universal school breakfast programs provide breakfast in the classroom when school starts in the morning, rather than in the cafeteria before school starts, which makes it easier for children to participate. Why does the location make a difference? Wouldn't it be rather difficult for the teachers to keep the room clean? -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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Chookie wrote:
In article , toto wrote: Many universal school breakfast programs provide breakfast in the classroom when school starts in the morning, rather than in the cafeteria before school starts, which makes it easier for children to participate. Why does the location make a difference? Many schools have staggered lunches because they can't accommodate all the students in one shift. If they had to have shifts for breakfast, that would take up more time. At our school, breakfast is available in the cafeteria (free or reduced price for those on free or reduced price lunch; full price for others), but if you take the bus to school (most do), you probably don't arrive in time to eat breakfast, so those who want to eat breakfast have to find a way to get to school early. Wouldn't it be rather difficult for the teachers to keep the room clean? Not necessarily. The rooms are cleaned every day anyway, and I suspect that a program providing breakfast at the desk for each child would probably not have particularly messy breakfasts. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Ericka Kammerer wrote: Many universal school breakfast programs provide breakfast in the classroom when school starts in the morning, rather than in the cafeteria before school starts, which makes it easier for children to participate. Why does the location make a difference? Many schools have staggered lunches because they can't accommodate all the students in one shift. If they had to have shifts for breakfast, that would take up more time. At our school, breakfast is available in the cafeteria (free or reduced price for those on free or reduced price lunch; full price for others), but if you take the bus to school (most do), you probably don't arrive in time to eat breakfast, so those who want to eat breakfast have to find a way to get to school early. OK -- sounds like the whole concept of disadvantage hasn't been well understood, has it? "Kid, you can get the free breakfast if your family has a car." Wouldn't it be rather difficult for the teachers to keep the room clean? Not necessarily. The rooms are cleaned every day anyway, and I suspect that a program providing breakfast at the desk for each child would probably not have particularly messy breakfasts. I hadn't read about the superdonuts et al at the time I wrote that. Our breakfasts involve cereal and toast (occasionally egg dishes or something on weekends), and my 7yo can still make a reasonable mess with that. A donut and a juice box makes more sense. -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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In article ehrebeniuk-CE9A39.21252930072008@news, Chookie says...
In article , Ericka Kammerer wrote: Many universal school breakfast programs provide breakfast in the classroom when school starts in the morning, rather than in the cafeteria before school starts, which makes it easier for children to participate. Why does the location make a difference? Many schools have staggered lunches because they can't accommodate all the students in one shift. If they had to have shifts for breakfast, that would take up more time. At our school, breakfast is available in the cafeteria (free or reduced price for those on free or reduced price lunch; full price for others), but if you take the bus to school (most do), you probably don't arrive in time to eat breakfast, so those who want to eat breakfast have to find a way to get to school early. OK -- sounds like the whole concept of disadvantage hasn't been well understood, has it? "Kid, you can get the free breakfast if your family has a car." I don't think she said it was good - it certainly goes against the idea of proliferating freebies in the schools. Wouldn't it be rather difficult for the teachers to keep the room clean? Not necessarily. The rooms are cleaned every day anyway, and I suspect that a program providing breakfast at the desk for each child would probably not have particularly messy breakfasts. I hadn't read about the superdonuts et al at the time I wrote that. Our breakfasts involve cereal and toast (occasionally egg dishes or something on weekends), and my 7yo can still make a reasonable mess with that. A donut and a juice box makes more sense. Whoa - morning blood glucose spike oh joy. Banty |
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Chookie wrote:
In article , Ericka Kammerer wrote: Many universal school breakfast programs provide breakfast in the classroom when school starts in the morning, rather than in the cafeteria before school starts, which makes it easier for children to participate. Why does the location make a difference? Many schools have staggered lunches because they can't accommodate all the students in one shift. If they had to have shifts for breakfast, that would take up more time. At our school, breakfast is available in the cafeteria (free or reduced price for those on free or reduced price lunch; full price for others), but if you take the bus to school (most do), you probably don't arrive in time to eat breakfast, so those who want to eat breakfast have to find a way to get to school early. OK -- sounds like the whole concept of disadvantage hasn't been well understood, has it? "Kid, you can get the free breakfast if your family has a car." That's not the way it works. When she said "if you take the bus to school", the other option was walking, not coming in a car. In a rural area such as the one where we live, there are very few who walk to school because of no sidewalks, roads without significant shoulders, long distances etc. DS did walk to school when he was in kindy, but he walked from a daycare house that was right next to the school. In the morning, I drove him there and dropped him off, and he was there in the morning and then walked to afternoon kindy. Then he took the bus home. In our area, anyway, parents delivering children by car is STRONGLY discouraged. It interrupts the safe traffic flow, clogs the parking lot and is generally disruptive. Although in our area, if you don't have a car you are SOL because there is basically no public transportation. It was different in elementary (which started at 9:15), but in secondary schools, we had 'early' and 'late buses - IOW, the buses each made two runs to the school. The early bus people got there in plenty of time to eat breakfast. Someone had to supervise the early bus kids in the 'all purpose room' during the time that it took for the bus to make another (shorter) run to pick the second set of kids up, and then at about 10 minutes before the start of homeroom, the kids were 'let out' to go to homerooms. Some of the late buses would barely get there by 8 am. In the afternoon, the early bus children went to their buses right at the end of school, but the late bus kids stayed with their teachers until their buses returned for the second trip - maybe 15 minutes to a half an hour. Also of course, lunch started at 10:30 for some classes. |
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"Banty" wrote in message ... In article ehrebeniuk-CE9A39.21252930072008@news, Chookie says... In article , Ericka Kammerer wrote: Many universal school breakfast programs provide breakfast in the classroom when school starts in the morning, rather than in the cafeteria before school starts, which makes it easier for children to participate. Why does the location make a difference? Many schools have staggered lunches because they can't accommodate all the students in one shift. If they had to have shifts for breakfast, that would take up more time. At our school, breakfast is available in the cafeteria (free or reduced price for those on free or reduced price lunch; full price for others), but if you take the bus to school (most do), you probably don't arrive in time to eat breakfast, so those who want to eat breakfast have to find a way to get to school early. OK -- sounds like the whole concept of disadvantage hasn't been well understood, has it? "Kid, you can get the free breakfast if your family has a car." I don't think she said it was good - it certainly goes against the idea of proliferating freebies in the schools. Wouldn't it be rather difficult for the teachers to keep the room clean? Not necessarily. The rooms are cleaned every day anyway, and I suspect that a program providing breakfast at the desk for each child would probably not have particularly messy breakfasts. I hadn't read about the superdonuts et al at the time I wrote that. Our breakfasts involve cereal and toast (occasionally egg dishes or something on weekends), and my 7yo can still make a reasonable mess with that. A donut and a juice box makes more sense. Whoa - morning blood glucose spike oh joy. And this is the major reason why I'm not thrilled with our school district's breakfast program. In the goal of "Easy to serve, not terribly messy", it's really long on "Superdonuts" and similar things, which generally lead to a quick rise in blood sugar, followed by a crash. It's probably better than the kids having no breakfast at all, but it's not great when you're the one teaching those kids! They do serve milk with the various breakfast breads instead of juice, which should help some. |
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Banty schrieb:
In article ehrebeniuk-CE9A39.21252930072008@news, Chookie says... snip I hadn't read about the superdonuts et al at the time I wrote that. Our breakfasts involve cereal and toast (occasionally egg dishes or something on weekends), and my 7yo can still make a reasonable mess with that. A donut and a juice box makes more sense. Whoa - morning blood glucose spike oh joy. Yeah, that's what I thought, too. I think the problem with school lunches (probably more so in the states than here in germany) is that it's going to be fastfood/junkfood. Yes, I consider Donuts to be junkfood or a treat, something we may have for afternoon tea (is that the right term? We call it "Kaffeetrinken" in our family, it's around mid afternoon, we have cake/muffins/something else sweet or maybe a sandwich if we don't want something sweet and either coffee or tea or whatever else we want to drink). What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) If they want to serve a hot lunch I'd personally prefer to see something like pasta with meatballs, no frenchfries and fried meat, some fruit salad or chopped up fresh fruit and/or yogurt... I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. When I was at university I ate at the canteen a lot. Of course some food was horrible but most food was good enough for the price I payed. We didn't eat fried everything every day, we had frenchfries maybe once a week (you could tell by the superlong queue) but we had a fair amount of pasta and boiled potatoes. We had a choice of - regular meal cheap meal with two sides one meat, like schnitzel and fries and salad/soup, or pasta with salad. You could ask for vegetarian which meant the meat was left out and you got more sides (very funny because you usually ended up with a huge amount of food because there wasn't that much meat on the plate anyway) - pick your own meal like a buffet, you picked what you wanted and then payed at the end of the buffet. - "eintopf" (one pot meals, not the actual translation of stew) everything that could be served in a soup bowl. Risotto, stew, "dampfnudeln" (it's a sweet dish consisting of a boiled/steamed ball of dough, like a sweet roll possibly filled with plum jam, served with some sort of sauce, usually chocolate or vanilla), "milchreis" (milkrice? rice cooked in milk, like oatmeal I guess, served with canned fruitsalad, raisins or just sugar and cinnamon. The "eintopf" was the cheapest meal you could get and I don't think I was ever able to eat the whole pot, but then I wasn't usually able to east the vegetarian version of their regular meal because they piled on the sides! I think the ladies working those food lines thought every vegetarian would starve if not fed double the amount the carnivores got *lol* Yeah, that turned into a bit of a short story. Sorry. cu nicole |
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Banty schrieb: In article ehrebeniuk-CE9A39.21252930072008@news, Chookie says... snip I hadn't read about the superdonuts et al at the time I wrote that. Our breakfasts involve cereal and toast (occasionally egg dishes or something on weekends), and my 7yo can still make a reasonable mess with that. A donut and a juice box makes more sense. Whoa - morning blood glucose spike oh joy. Yeah, that's what I thought, too. I think the problem with school lunches (probably more so in the states than here in germany) is that it's going to be fastfood/junkfood. Yes, I consider Donuts to be junkfood or a treat, something we may have for afternoon tea (is that the right term? We call it "Kaffeetrinken" in our family, it's around mid afternoon, we have cake/muffins/something else sweet or maybe a sandwich if we don't want something sweet and either coffee or tea or whatever else we want to drink). What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) Why not peanut butter? At our house, breakfast for both of us is oatmeal with milk, and a few ounces of cheese for me. A sandwich for breakfast would probably be considered very weird and be rejected, but a bowl of granola with milk would be decent. A little cold sausage or cheese would be great. Anything protien other than milk would probably not fly, though. If they want to serve a hot lunch I'd personally prefer to see something like pasta with meatballs, no frenchfries and fried meat, some fruit salad or chopped up fresh fruit and/or yogurt... Said fruit salad would probably be canned and packed in corn syrup - not great. Chopped up - very labor intensive. Spaghetti and meatballs is a mainstay already for school lunches. I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. Everyone's going on about the cost because the cost of putting on a lunch and the facilities for it is scrutinized by the public that directly finances USian schools. Directly by property taxes (a good portion of the budget) VOTED ON every year by the residents of the school district! So this sort of thing gets streamlined, with much of the populace (esp. non-parents and empty nesters) whining "why can't they just pack a lunch I'm being taxed out of my house and home just to feed the kiddies luxury foods" or something like that. When I was at university I ate at the canteen a lot. Of course some food was horrible but most food was good enough for the price I payed. We didn't eat fried everything every day, we had frenchfries maybe once a week (you could tell by the superlong queue) but we had a fair amount of pasta and boiled potatoes. I gained weight at the university dorm cafeterias - one big problem was the long line - once I was done with whatever they served, all that was left were the vending machines. I lost the weight only when I went to an off-campus apartment. We had a choice of - regular meal cheap meal with two sides one meat, like schnitzel and fries and salad/soup, or pasta with salad. You could ask for vegetarian which meant the meat was left out and you got more sides (very funny because you usually ended up with a huge amount of food because there wasn't that much meat on the plate anyway) - pick your own meal like a buffet, you picked what you wanted and then payed at the end of the buffet. - "eintopf" (one pot meals, not the actual translation of stew) everything that could be served in a soup bowl. Risotto, stew, "dampfnudeln" (it's a sweet dish consisting of a boiled/steamed ball of dough, like a sweet roll possibly filled with plum jam, served with some sort of sauce, usually chocolate or vanilla), "milchreis" (milkrice? rice cooked in milk, like oatmeal I guess, served with canned fruitsalad, raisins or just sugar and cinnamon. I think I'll be moving to Germany and going to college soon... The "eintopf" was the cheapest meal you could get and I don't think I was ever able to eat the whole pot, but then I wasn't usually able to east the vegetarian version of their regular meal because they piled on the sides! I think the ladies working those food lines thought every vegetarian would starve if not fed double the amount the carnivores got *lol* Yeah, that turned into a bit of a short story. Sorry. No, it was interesting. Banty |
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"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , NL says... Banty schrieb: In article ehrebeniuk-CE9A39.21252930072008@news, Chookie says... snip I hadn't read about the superdonuts et al at the time I wrote that. Our breakfasts involve cereal and toast (occasionally egg dishes or something on weekends), and my 7yo can still make a reasonable mess with that. A donut and a juice box makes more sense. Whoa - morning blood glucose spike oh joy. Yeah, that's what I thought, too. I think the problem with school lunches (probably more so in the states than here in germany) is that it's going to be fastfood/junkfood. Yes, I consider Donuts to be junkfood or a treat, something we may have for afternoon tea (is that the right term? We call it "Kaffeetrinken" in our family, it's around mid afternoon, we have cake/muffins/something else sweet or maybe a sandwich if we don't want something sweet and either coffee or tea or whatever else we want to drink). What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) Why not peanut butter? Peanut butter seems to be used in the US for children much more than here. Our schools round here state "no nuts/nut produce" due to potential allergies. I don't know of anyone who finds that a problem, and I know very few children who eat peanut butter as it isn't generally offered. Marmite (for some strange reason) is much more popular. Debbie |
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