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Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:38:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. South of the Sahara they were running around chasing wildebeest, etc. What do you think they were doing in Northern Europe in 3000 BC? Applying their superior IQ: logistical planning for winter, e.g., storing food, firewood... firewood, building |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote: Spelling is convention. The Founders of the United States did not pay much attention to how things were spelled. Shakespeare was even less consistent - he spelled his name several different ways. Are you going to say that Shakespeare had trouble with language? Aboslutely. This is one of my pet peeves with HS/college "English" classes: all the time that is squandered discussing what Shakespeare (or other "greats") *Really_Meant* by e.g. some verse in some sonnet. Let's take one of your favorites, Bob. "All men are created equal..." How would Shakespeare have written *that*? Some vague flowery ambiguous fuzzy wording WTF-did-he-really-say statement ??? Shakespeare did *NOT* have a command of the language; his brain was something akin to a random word generator. The best "command of the language" is in Supreme Court decisions. The precision and clarity is awesome. You may not always agree with what the justices say, but you certainly have no doubt whatsoever what the justices were thinking and meant, even if it'z wrong..... |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:54:32 -0700, "Circe" wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: Written language began about 3,000 years ago. Wrong again, BTW. "Nothing that we can call writing, however, evolved before about 3000 B.C. In other words, spoken human language seems to have been around from at least 30,000 - 50,000 years before writing was invented." You finally got something a little bit right. Chuckle. Best defense is a good offense, I guess. Say uncle. You are looking increasingly silly. Slainte, Fletch |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:45:22 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe" wrote: Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have vowels in it? I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was. Holger ------------------- You need a course in linguistics - written vowels were merely written first by the Indians and Greeks, and before that written language was merely a form of consonantal shorthand for speech. It doesn't mean people didn't SAY the vowels!!! Steve Eureka!!!!!!!!!!!! There you go!!!!!!!!!! The Greeks were the first to put the vowels in the alphabet!!!!! You finally got it!!!!!!! Yet another tread-worn forensic device: declare victory while being slaughtered. But did you finally get the idea that the conclusions you were drawing were based on a complete misunderstanding of this whole subject? Slainte, Fletch |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:54:53 GMT, wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote: Spelling is convention. The Founders of the United States did not pay much attention to how things were spelled. Shakespeare was even less consistent - he spelled his name several different ways. Are you going to say that Shakespeare had trouble with language? It's okay to spell your name any way you want to. I could spell Holger "Xyzabc" if I wanted to. However, I would constantly have to tell people how to pronounce it. Aboslutely. This is one of my pet peeves with HS/college "English" classes: all the time that is squandered discussing what Shakespeare (or other "greats") *Really_Meant* by e.g. some verse in some sonnet. Let's take one of your favorites, Bob. "All men are created equal..." How would Shakespeare have written *that*? Some vague flowery ambiguous fuzzy wording WTF-did-he-really-say statement ??? Shakespeare did *NOT* have a command of the language; his brain was something akin to a random word generator. The best "command of the language" is in Supreme Court decisions. The precision and clarity is awesome. You may not always agree with what the justices say, but you certainly have no doubt whatsoever what the justices were thinking and meant, even if it'z wrong..... Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:29:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:38:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. South of the Sahara they were running around chasing wildebeest, etc. What do you think they were doing in Northern Europe in 3000 BC? Well, in about 2560 BC, north of the Sahara, (We were talking about Africa, not northern Europe.) You were talking about "whites and Asians". I want to know what you think all the rest of the whites and Asians were doing while the Copts (who were mixed race and possibly black, but were certainly NOT "Caucasian" or "Aryan" or "Indo-European" which are common alternative names for "whites") were doing their thing. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:38:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. South of the Sahara they were running around chasing wildebeest, etc. What do you think they were doing in Northern Europe in 3000 BC? Applying their superior IQ: logistical planning for winter, e.g., storing food, firewood... firewood, building The answer is that they were running around chasing X, where X was the indigneous animal species of the area. In other words, exactly what the blacks were doing. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
You see, it says that the Greeks added vowels. TO THE ALPHABET. NOT to the language. The language was written with the alphabet. So? The language had vowels before the alphabet did. Ppl rd th txt lk ths. Or rather, because they didn't use spaces: Pplrdthtxtlkths. You will note that if you attempt to read that sequence of syllables aloud, it is understandable. We are talking about vowels in the alphabet, not grunting sounds and screeches that people made. Maybe that is what YOU are talking about now, but you originally talked about adding vowels to the LANGUAGE, which exists whether or not there is an alphabet. But the words of the language are written with an alphabet, and the Greeks added vowels to theirs. So? As exemplified above, they did not HAVE to. It made reading easier, but it was not a change to the language. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote: Spelling is convention. The Founders of the United States did not pay much attention to how things were spelled. Shakespeare was even less consistent - he spelled his name several different ways. Are you going to say that Shakespeare had trouble with language? Aboslutely. This is one of my pet peeves with HS/college "English" classes: all the time that is squandered discussing what Shakespeare (or other "greats") *Really_Meant* by e.g. some verse in some sonnet. That is not a discussion of his language. Let's take one of your favorites, Bob. "All men are created equal..." How would Shakespeare have written *that*? Some vague flowery ambiguous fuzzy wording WTF-did-he-really-say statement ??? Actually, Jefferson was quite a master of the flowery phrase himself. Shakespeare did *NOT* have a command of the language; his brain was something akin to a random word generator. The judgement of an ill-educated racist as to such matters is laughable. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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