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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:34:41 GMT, "Fletch F. Fletch" wrote: ------------------- You need a course in linguistics - written vowels were merely written first by the Indians and Greeks, and before that written language was merely a form of consonantal shorthand for speech. It doesn't mean people didn't SAY the vowels!!! Steve Eureka!!!!!!!!!!!! There you go!!!!!!!!!! The Greeks were the first to put the vowels in the alphabet!!!!! You finally got it!!!!!!! Yet another tread-worn forensic device: declare victory while being slaughtered. But did you finally get the idea that the conclusions you were drawing were based on a complete misunderstanding of this whole subject? I understand the subject. Just as I said in my post of 6/2, a copy of which is below : I'm not claiming anything. I'm stating the fact that the Greeks were the first people to put vowels in language. False statement. Prior to that time, it was all consonants in all languages. False statement. With vowels, they could make more words False statement. and do more thinking. False statement. (We think with words.) Partially true statement. This gave them an advantage over other civilizations. Partially true statement. This meant, of course, that they put them in their alphabet because that's what their language was written with. Backpedaling statement. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:32:34 GMT, wrote:
I'd like to check that out. Got a URL for any good Nubian DAFNfotoz ?? The leaders, not the slaves imported from sub-Sahara... http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/kingtaharqa.html http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/PROJ/NUB/N..._brochure.html The earliest of the Nubian cultures (the A-Group and C-Group) were located in northern Nubia. Until recently it was thought that A-Group people were semi-nomadic herdsmen. However, new research suggests that a line of kings 1ived in Qustul in northern Nubia as early as, or perhaps even earlier than, the first pharaohs of Egypt. The people of these early cultures buried their dead in stone-lined pit graves, accompanied by pottery and cosmetic articles. At this time, Nubia was known to the Egyptians as "Ta Sety," the "Land of the Bow," because of the fame of Nubian archers. By 1550 B.C. kings at Kerma were ruling Nubia. They were buried in huge round tombs, accompanied by hundreds of sacrificed retainers. People of the Kerma culture were accomplished metal workers, and they also made thin-walled pottery on a wheel. This was a time of increased contact between Egypt and "Kush," as Nubia was then called. Egypt dominated parts of Nubia from about 1950 to 1000 B.C. Forts, trading posts and Egyptianstyle temples were built in Kush, and the Nubian elite adopted the worship of Egyptian gods and even the Egyptian hieroglyphic writing system. The gold, ebony and ivory of Nubia contributed to the material wealth of Egypt, and many of the famed treasures of the Egyptian kings were made of products from Nubia. By 800 B.C., Egypt had fragmented into rival states. In 747 B.C., the city of Thebes in southern Egypt was threatened by northerners, and the Egyptians called upon the Nubian king for protection. The Ku****e king, Piye, marched north from hiscapitalatNapata,rescuedThebesandreunified Egypt. For the next 100 years, Ku****e kings ruled both Nubia and Egypt. This era was brought to a close by the invasion of Assyrian armies in 663 B.C., and the Nubian king fled south to his capital at Napata. By 200 B.C., the capital had shifted yet farther south to Meroe, where the kings continued to be buried in pyramid tombs and to build temples to Nubian and Egyptian gods in a hybrid EgyptianRoman-African style. Roman historians record the skirmishes and treaties which marked the relation ship of Roman Egypt and Nubia. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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toto wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:32:34 GMT, wrote: I'd like to check that out. Got a URL for any good Nubian DAFNfotoz ?? The leaders, not the slaves imported from sub-Sahara... http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/kingtaharqa.html Those sculptures are obviously all the IQ-65 DAFN_slavez, servantz, and concubinez the Nubians imported from CongoBongo... |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:06:07 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: Where were they doing this? Who was doing it? You real sure there was anyone in that location 3,000 years ago? Yes. Northern Europe prehistory goes back as far as 8000 years: http://www.comp-archaeology.org/Cent...Chronology.htm http://www.angelfire.com/me/ij/britishBA.html#chr is a chronology of prehistoric Britain going back almost 5000 years. Well, you didn't say where and who you were talking about. lojbab Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:10:10 -0700, "Circe" wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:31:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Confucious... Not hardly. Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. Mediterranean types were essentially white (as opposed to DAFN). No. The people of Upper Egypt were also called Nubians. They conquered and ruled Egypt for a millennium or so. The pharaohs were Copts. *Some* of the pharoahs were Copts--after the invention of Christianity, anyway. In view of the fact that the flowering of Egyptian civilization preceded the birth of Christianity by several thousand years, I think it is quite safe to say that the rulers of upper Egypts between 3500 BCE and about 100 AD were most certainly *not* Copts or, in fact, Christians of any kind. The Copts were not Christians when they were pharaohs. In fact, didn't they worship cats and Isis, an idol? But they became Christians later. Moreover, of course, being a Christian (Coptic or otherwise) does not say anything at all about one's ethnicity or skin color. I don't know what color has to do with it, but I can assure you that they were not the black-Sub-Saharan-Savages. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:08:51 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: There were some Nubians scattered around, and a lot of different tribes, but the pharaohs were Copts. You mission, should you decide to accept it, is to prove that the pharaohs were "white". Why are you so interested in skin color? The Copts were not Negroes. All of the black savages back then were below the Sahara desert. lojbab Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:08:51 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: There were some Nubians scattered around, and a lot of different tribes, but the pharaohs were Copts. You mission, should you decide to accept it, is to prove that the pharaohs were "white". Why are you so interested in skin color? I'm not. But this discussion started with a claim about what was done by "whites and Asians". The Copts were not Negroes. Your evidence? All of the black savages back then were below the Sahara desert. Your evidence? lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:10:10 -0700, "Circe" wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:31:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Bob LeChevalier wrote: Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. Mediterranean types were essentially white (as opposed to DAFN). No. The people of Upper Egypt were also called Nubians. They conquered and ruled Egypt for a millennium or so. The pharaohs were Copts. *Some* of the pharoahs were Copts--after the invention of Christianity, anyway. In view of the fact that the flowering of Egyptian civilization preceded the birth of Christianity by several thousand years, I think it is quite safe to say that the rulers of upper Egypts between 3500 BCE and about 100 AD were most certainly *not* Copts or, in fact, Christians of any kind. The Copts were not Christians when they were pharaohs. Ah, then you are using Copt in the older, less typical sense. And in that case, it just means they "Egyptian". The word "Copt" tells us nothing about skin color or any other features, especially when applied to ancient Egyptians. Given that the ancient Egyptians represented the skin color of their pharoahs in art using colors ranging from light brown to black, we cannot use their artistic representations as any sort of guide. And since none of us were living at the time, there's no way to tell for certain what "color" the ancient Egyptian pharaohs were. Most experts believe the ancient Egyptians were mixed ethnically with a strong strain of sub-Saharan influence. Moreover, of course, being a Christian (Coptic or otherwise) does not say anything at all about one's ethnicity or skin color. I don't know what color has to do with it, but I can assure you that they were not the black-Sub-Saharan-Savages. I agree. Of course, I reject the entire concept of there being any groups of people who are "savages" in the first place, whatever their skin color may happen to be, so I'm pretty easy to assure on that premise. -- Be well, Barbara All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful. Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:28:10 -0700, "Circe" wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:10:10 -0700, "Circe" wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:31:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Bob LeChevalier wrote: Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. Mediterranean types were essentially white (as opposed to DAFN). No. The people of Upper Egypt were also called Nubians. They conquered and ruled Egypt for a millennium or so. The pharaohs were Copts. *Some* of the pharoahs were Copts--after the invention of Christianity, anyway. In view of the fact that the flowering of Egyptian civilization preceded the birth of Christianity by several thousand years, I think it is quite safe to say that the rulers of upper Egypts between 3500 BCE and about 100 AD were most certainly *not* Copts or, in fact, Christians of any kind. The Copts were not Christians when they were pharaohs. Ah, then you are using Copt in the older, less typical sense. And in that case, it just means they "Egyptian". The word "Copt" tells us nothing about skin color or any other features, especially when applied to ancient Egyptians. Given that the ancient Egyptians represented the skin color of their pharoahs in art using colors ranging from light brown to black, we cannot use their artistic representations as any sort of guide. And since none of us were living at the time, there's no way to tell for certain what "color" the ancient Egyptian pharaohs were. Most experts believe the ancient Egyptians were mixed ethnically with a strong strain of sub-Saharan influence. The black savages of Sub-Saharan-Africa had nothing to do with the civilization north of the Sahara. The blacks were uncivilized living in the bush/jungle running around naked or in loin cloths, not just at one period, but for thousands of years. Most are still savages, and they own and abuse slaves in the Sudan, and commit all kinds of atrocities. They never created anything of any importance. As I said before, they carved some ugly figures out of wood. Can you imagine living that way for thousands and thousands of years? Moreover, of course, being a Christian (Coptic or otherwise) does not say anything at all about one's ethnicity or skin color. I don't know what color has to do with it, but I can assure you that they were not the black-Sub-Saharan-Savages. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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