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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:54:53 GMT, wrote: Bob LeChevalier wrote: Spelling is convention. The Founders of the United States did not pay much attention to how things were spelled. Shakespeare was even less consistent - he spelled his name several different ways. Are you going to say that Shakespeare had trouble with language? It's okay to spell your name any way you want to. I could spell Holger "Xyzabc" if I wanted to. However, I would constantly have to tell people how to pronounce it. If you spelled it Xyzabc one week and Holger the next week, people would look at you funny. Shakespeare spelled his name a variety of ways that varied from time to time. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:34:41 GMT, "Fletch F. Fletch"
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:45:22 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe" wrote: Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have vowels in it? I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was. Holger ------------------- You need a course in linguistics - written vowels were merely written first by the Indians and Greeks, and before that written language was merely a form of consonantal shorthand for speech. It doesn't mean people didn't SAY the vowels!!! Steve Eureka!!!!!!!!!!!! There you go!!!!!!!!!! The Greeks were the first to put the vowels in the alphabet!!!!! You finally got it!!!!!!! Yet another tread-worn forensic device: declare victory while being slaughtered. But did you finally get the idea that the conclusions you were drawing were based on a complete misunderstanding of this whole subject? I understand the subject. Just as I said in my post of 6/2, a copy of which is below : I'm not claiming anything. I'm stating the fact that the Greeks were the first people to put vowels in language. Prior to that time, it was all consonants in all languages. With vowels, they could make more words and do more thinking. (We think with words.) This gave them an advantage over other civilizations. This meant, of course, that they put them in their alphabet because that's what their language was written with. Slainte, Fletch Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:41:44 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:29:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:38:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. South of the Sahara they were running around chasing wildebeest, etc. What do you think they were doing in Northern Europe in 3000 BC? Well, in about 2560 BC, north of the Sahara, (We were talking about Africa, not northern Europe.) You were talking about "whites and Asians". I want to know what you think all the rest of the whites and Asians were doing while the Copts (who were mixed race and possibly black, but were certainly NOT "Caucasian" or "Aryan" or "Indo-European" which are common alternative names for "whites") were doing their thing. Well, they certainly were not playing with dung beetles and chasing wildebeest. __________________________________________________ _ "Aegean Culture FOR many centuries the name of Greece has been surrounded with a halo of glory. When we look back upon the Greeks of the fourth and fifth centuries before Christ, we find ourselves facing a people equaling the civilized nations of today in intellectual keenness and power. The earlier nations of Babylon and Egypt we regard as having been still in the childhood of the human race; but these Greeks were men. Spiritually, they did not reach to our modern standards of life and ethics; but artistically and intellectually they were our equals. Sculptors and architects today still study and imitate the surviving Grecian works of art. Our ablest thinkers look back with admiration to the arguments of Socrates and the philosophy of Aristotle. Moreover, it was these Greeks who first of all the world seem to have evolved republican principles. They first saw how to protect the masses of men in their freedom from the tyranny of the powerful few. Government "by the people," which is the theory and the glory of our own state, was first evolved and safeguarded and made sure in the little "city states" of ancient Greece. Hence the study of these Grecian people, of what they did and how they learned to do it, has always been one of the most fascinating chapters in the story of the past. The last twenty years have greatly enlarged our knowledge, and almost wholly changed our views, of the early story of the Greeks. When Grote and Curtius wrote the great nineteenth-century histories of Greece, it was deliberately proposed to count Greek history as beginning with the first clearly dated Olympic games in 776 B.C.; everything before that was to be rejected as purely legendary. But today the researches of recent excavators, the studies of modern scientists, have revealed to us such a mass of facts and of suggestions as enables us to reconstruct quite clearly the Greece of fifteen hundred years before Christ and even to catch glimpses of a far earlier period. The historian who formerly began with Sparta and with Athens as the first mighty cities of Greece, now pushes these aside as belonging to the closing period of Greek life, and opens his account with the names of the cities of Knossus, Argos, and Mycenae. Knossus, so far as we yet know, was the earliest seat of Grecian civilization. This ancient city stood not on the mainland of Greece, but on the largest of the Grecian islands, Crete, whose people have so recently been rescued fro.. Turkey and reunited with the kingdom of their own race. At Knossus excavations of the last few years reveal that there was a city of rich and splendid civilization at least as far back as 2500 B.C. Beyond that we can trace remnants of the earlier generations slowly developing from barbarism during many centuries. Twelve thousand years ago the site of Knossus was already inhabited by a race of fishermen who were what scientists call autochthonous, that is, we have no evidence of their coming from any other place; they seem to have grown up with the soil. They were of the aboriginal race which was spread over the whole Aegean region. These earliest traceable people of the Aegean islands were a short dark-skinned folk, who continued, though with some admixture of other races, to be the chief stock of the Greeks whom we meet in historic times. These Aegean seem to have progressed toward civilization in Crete more rapidly than else-where; probably because in those days every man was the enemy of every other outside his immediate tribal circle, and the Cretans were sheltered by the ocean from the invasion of other races. Gradually in their peaceful homes they learned seamanship; they established trade relations with the earlier Egyptian dynasties; and by 2500 B.C. they had become a mighty people under a king whose name has been preserved to us by later Greek legend, as Minos." http://www.publicbookshelf.com/publi...eancu_bda.html Wow!!!! It says, "artistically and intellectually they (the ancient Greeks) were our equals." lojbab Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:43:14 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: wrote: Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:38:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. South of the Sahara they were running around chasing wildebeest, etc. What do you think they were doing in Northern Europe in 3000 BC? Applying their superior IQ: logistical planning for winter, e.g., storing food, firewood... firewood, building The answer is that they were running around chasing X, where X was the indigneous animal species of the area. In other words, exactly what the blacks were doing. Where were they doing this? Who was doing it? You real sure there was anyone in that location 3,000 years ago? lojbab Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:41:44 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:29:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:38:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. South of the Sahara they were running around chasing wildebeest, etc. What do you think they were doing in Northern Europe in 3000 BC? Well, in about 2560 BC, north of the Sahara, (We were talking about Africa, not northern Europe.) You were talking about "whites and Asians". I want to know what you think all the rest of the whites and Asians were doing while the Copts (who were mixed race and possibly black, but were certainly NOT "Caucasian" or "Aryan" or "Indo-European" which are common alternative names for "whites") were doing their thing. Well, they certainly were not playing with dung beetles and chasing wildebeest. You're right. Here in Northern Europe they were playing with stag beetles and running away from bears. Until the Romans brought civilisation, thousands of years later. |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
You were talking about "whites and Asians". I want to know what you think all the rest of the whites and Asians were doing while the Copts (who were mixed race and possibly black, but were certainly NOT "Caucasian" or "Aryan" or "Indo-European" which are common alternative names for "whites") were doing their thing. Well, they certainly were not playing with dung beetles and chasing wildebeest. Nah. They were playing with mosquitoes and chasing aurochs. Wow!!!! It says, "artistically and intellectually they (the ancient Greeks) were our equals." Duh. So were the ancient Hindus, and the ancient Chinese, and perhaps others who did not record their insights. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
Where were they doing this? Who was doing it? You real sure there was anyone in that location 3,000 years ago? Yes. Northern Europe prehistory goes back as far as 8000 years: http://www.comp-archaeology.org/Cent...Chronology.htm http://www.angelfire.com/me/ij/britishBA.html#chr is a chronology of prehistoric Britain going back almost 5000 years. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
There were some Nubians scattered around, and a lot of different tribes, but the pharaohs were Copts. You mission, should you decide to accept it, is to prove that the pharaohs were "white". This racist will self-destruct in five seconds. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:31:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Confucious... Not hardly. Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. Mediterranean types were essentially white (as opposed to DAFN). No. The people of Upper Egypt were also called Nubians. They conquered and ruled Egypt for a millennium or so. The pharaohs were Copts. *Some* of the pharoahs were Copts--after the invention of Christianity, anyway. In view of the fact that the flowering of Egyptian civilization preceded the birth of Christianity by several thousand years, I think it is quite safe to say that the rulers of upper Egypts between 3500 BCE and about 100 AD were most certainly *not* Copts or, in fact, Christians of any kind. Moreover, of course, being a Christian (Coptic or otherwise) does not say anything at all about one's ethnicity or skin color. -- Be well, Barbara All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful. Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman |
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