Success of subsidized guardianship- 34 states utilize it [Archive]

Kane

September 1st 04, 04:37 AM

On 31 Aug 2004 13:11:04 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

..........and just can't stop lying.....this story is about Virginia
and their failure to carry the ball on their new law on
guardianship....they have no money...and the feds aren't forthcoming
with any.

In other words. THIS is a perfect example of the "kill cps" by
defunding CPS that is touted and foisted in this very ng.

For any of you that can think, The Plant and Saplings excluded of
course, can you see the stupidity of the phony crusaders here?

When did ANY program with an increasing client population improve by
defunding?

Think about the celebrations of some states as they destaffed and
defunded their "welfare" better knows as assistance to adults and
families...the disabled, the otherwise disenfrancised........All they
did was get people OFF their roles...by diminishing services. In some
instance people DIED because they lost essential services.

Elderly, crippled, mentally disabled, veterens, women parenting
disabled children. ...

THIS IS THE KIND OF MENTALLITY WE SEE IN THE PHONIES HERE.

And if you bother to read the article, which The Plant hopes you
won't, you will see I am correct. This is a story of failure, not one
of success. Only a few states have been able to make it happen...and
it hasn't saved a dime, and it ensures that, instead of loving
committed adoption (which CAN be subsidized by federal and often state
funding) these children will always KNOW that they are not really
WANTED enough for the family to go the whole way.

And in the article there are a number of other points that show how
badly you are lied to on other issues in this ng.

The real title of the article, rather than the misleading bull****
subject below:

" Kinship care law deserves attention"

Good enough, but of course it does NOT tout "success" of the programs,
likely because the authors can see the same shortcomings I can.
Guardianship, just like long term foster care, will always be second
best to returning the child to the parents, or adoption..including
adoptoin by kin...which IS not being counted by The Plant and
cronies...only foster placement.

And an adoptive family takes themselves out of the running for the
next child, which so often comes along, for a time. And eventually
they get full and can take no more.

Real relatives involved in foster and adoption will tell you the same
thing...and they are NOT conned by this liar and Its cronies, or each
other for that matter. The harshest critic of "kin" are kin.

Those legal fictions of inlaws, that come with daughter or son making
a child out of wedlock while in their throws of "party" life. And
suddenly there is an extended family fighting for a child, or a child
of another color that overwhelms the desire to care for that child
behind the kind of bigotry we see in some of the posters here.

This is not a simple story, and it never will be....but the only way
the propagandists that haught and pollute this ng can have a platform
on which to pile their manure, is to con you into thinking there are
simple answers.

In recent months we've seen one or two new folks check in or old
timers come back. Relatives and fosters, that are telling it like it
is. Sometimes very harsh on CPS for it's shortcomings, but
honest...not lying and bull****, no exaggeration like the scumballs
peddle here.

Listen to them,Then give THESES this assholes and cronies a wide berth
and short leash when it comes to credibility.

Make them PROVE their claims and decide for yourself based ON MORE
information YOU seek out on the subject....and think, people. Think.
Don't just open, shut, and swallow, or you might be poisoned as others
have been here that believed these twits.

Some have paid dearly for listening to the wrong folks. Dearly.

Kane

>Subject: Success of subsidized guardianship-34 states use it
>From: (Fern5827)
>Date: 8/28/2004 1:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Thirty-four states and the District of Columbia already have
subsidized
>guardianship programs. Illinois just evaluated its much-praised
program and
>found it a rousing - and cost-neutral - success. A foster care
population cut
>in half between 1997 and 2002. Adoptions from foster care more than
doubled.
>Assisted guardianship gave permanent homes to 6,800 foster children.
>
>
>http://www.dailypress.com/news/columnists/dp-67920cm0aug28,0,1793563.colum
>n?coll=dp-news-columnists

Learn to tinyurl you twit:

http://tinyurl.com/5ta9f

>Illinois found it quite helpful.

But 34 states utilize it? Are you suggesting that all find it just
hunky dory? That is meets a childs needs to feel they are permanently
part of a family...one of the criteria that child development
specialists have id'd as critical to that process....human
development?

It's no better than long term foster care, and no more committment in
fact. And adoption is very hard to break. A guardianship? R R R R ....
the caregive can pretty much walk away, after dumping the kids at CPS,
with NO FAULT, not problems.

Kids can feel that. I had one hell of a fight with a "kin" that
refused to adopt on these very grounds...here desire to keep that
distance, mine to have the kids KNOW that they were wanted as fully as
an adoptive family wants a child they adopt. LEGALLY THE FAMILY'S
CHILD.

There are only two moral defensibel outcomes for placement of a child
from state custody. and guardianship is STILL STATE CUSTODY....one is
return to bio parent, the other is
full-fledged-legal-judge-signs-the-new birth certificate-adoption.

Anything less makes the child less than a member of the human race as
we humans understand it. Banishment is, they say, a punishment worse
than death, for humans. And "guardianship," maintaining the state's
hold over the child, tells him or her they have been banished from the
nuclear family paradigm. Forever.

You twits know little to nothing about human mental health and human
development and human needs. And it shows. Every single post.

Kane

>
>descriptors; KINSHIP CARE, KIN CARE, FOSTER CARE, ILDCFS, DCFS,
STRANGER FOSTER
>CARE, GRANDPARENTS, UNCLES, AUNTS, RELATIVES, KIN, DSS